If Mitt leads the ticket?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I think Romney and Huntsman are the only respectable candidates on the GOP ticket.

Huntsman has absolutely no chance to win. It is between Cain and Romney IMO and I prefer Cain over Romney at this point in time. But as I said before I would welcome a Romney win because I think it will be a good way to expose the false teachings of Mormonism.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Huntsman has absolutely no chance to win. It is between Cain and Romney IMO and I prefer Cain over Romney at this point in time. But as I said before I would welcome a Romney win because I think it will be a good way to expose the false teachings of Mormonism.

Like I said, on another thread, I don't think having a President, who is LDS, is going to hurt the church, as the critics seem to believe. So far, anyone who has dared to publicly criticize Mitt's religion, calling it a "cult", has gotten badly beaten up by the press. The majority of people don't want religion to be an issue in political campaigns.

Agree that Huntsman has no chance, but he is still miles better than most of the other candidates (from my perspective).

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Like I said, on another thread, I don't think having a President, who is LDS, is going to hurt the church, as the critics seem to believe.

I completely disagree with you Libby. Just look at the last election where the whole Jesus being the brother of Satan was brought up. Most people had never heard about that before but then it became a well know fact. This will expose Mormonism and their false teachings so more people will be more aware of what they really believe. Will they still have converts despite this? Of course. They will attract people such as yourself who disregard what the Bible teaches and rely on their mental intellect or their feelings.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I completely disagree with you Libby. Just look at the last election where the whole Jesus being the brother of Satan was brought up. Most people had never heard about that before but then it became a well know fact. This will expose Mormonism and their false teachings so more people will be more aware of what they really believe. Will they still have converts despite this? Of course. They will attract people such as yourself who disregard what the Bible teaches and rely on their mental intellect or their feelings.

It may bring more attention to the religion (both positive and negative attention, most likely), but I'm just saying, bringing it up during the campaign (in a negative light) is definitely detrimental. Just ask Rick Perry.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

. . . but I'm just saying, bringing it up during the campaign (in a negative light) is definitely detrimental. Just ask Rick Perry.

Sure but once Mitt gets elected this won't be the case. And despite the negative reaction for Rick Perry what stays in people's mind is that Mormonism is a cult.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Sure but once Mitt gets elected this won't be the case. And despite the negative reaction for Rick Perry what stays in people's mind is that Mormonism is a cult.

The reaction I have seen, both in the media and among my friends (who are a pretty diverse group) is that it's a lie and they are just trying to slander Mitt, using his religion to do so (which is not cool). Even my liberal friends took that at***ude, and many of them do not like the church's stance on ****sexuality...but they still think bringing up (attacking) his religion is not right.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

The reaction I have seen, both in the media and among my friends (who are a pretty diverse group) is that it's a lie and they are just trying to slander Mitt, using his religion to do so (which is not cool). Even my liberal friends took that at***ude, and many of them do not like the church's stance on ****sexuality...but they still think bringing up (attacking) his religion is not right.

Right or not it doesn't matter if Mitt gets into office. Then it won't be fellow candidates but talk show hosts and the like which will expose all of the warts of Mormonism. Most people ***ume that Mormonism is just another Christian sect because they don't really know what LDS believe, but this will change as their doctrine is given More and more airtime.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Right or not it doesn't matter if Mitt gets into office. Then it won't be fellow candidates but talk show hosts and the like which will expose all of the warts of Mormonism.

We'll see, Billy.

Personally, I don't think, even Romney, can beat the President, so we may never get to find out how it would have played out.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

We'll see, Billy.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a Sa****ay Night Live skit especially given the popularity of the B of M Broadway play.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

It wouldn't surprise me to see a Sa****ay Night Live skit especially given the popularity of the B of M Broadway play.

That I could see. But, I don't think people are going to take that particularly seriously.

I had to laugh, when Mitt said, he wanted to get out to see the Book of Mormon play! I think he has no idea what is in it (the language, etc).

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

That I could see. But, I don't think people are going to take that particularly seriously.

I do. And nothing like humor to get people to watch. I can see it now, Mitt is in the White House trying to make a decision about the middle east peace process and Joseph Smith and the Angel Moroni appear to him.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I do. And nothing like humor to get people to watch. I can see it now, Mitt is in the White House trying to make a decision about the middle east peace process and Joseph Smith and the Angel Moroni appear to him.

Oh brother..lol....maybe you should apply for a *** as comedy writer.

[alanmolstad]

Now as for the NEXT question.....
If Mitt is on the ticket will he win the election?.....

again let me take a moment and dip my thoughts into the future and see what I see....

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nope.
I do not believe that if Mitt gets on the ticket there is a likelihood that he is able to win the election.

Now I would vote for him....But there is a HUGE problem with Mitt that the Republicans have to deal with, ie:.....he is not conservative.

This lack of being conservative means the only way he wins is to run on the fact that he is not Obama...not a Democrat.

The trick for him will be to have enough conservatives like myself, to overlook who he is and only see the big "R" after his name.

So in reality, I will not so much be voting for Mitt, as I will be voting for the "Republican Party" this next time around.

But like I said....Mitt is not conservative, and the Republicans have shown in the last few elections that you need to appear very conservative to get the needed support of the conservative voters that get a Republican elected.

Right now, Mitt appears a worse choice for conservatives than even McCain was in the last election.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Now as for the NEXT question.....
If Mitt is on the ticket will he win the election?.....

again let me take a moment and dip my thoughts into the future and see what I see....

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nope.
I do not believe that if Mitt gets on the ticket there is a likelihood that he is able to win the election.

Now I would vote for him....But there is a HUGE problem with Mitt that the Republicans have to deal with, ie:.....he is not conservative.

This lack of being conservative means the only way he wins is to run on the fact that he is not Obama...not a Democrat.

The trick for him will be to have enough conservatives like myself, to overlook who he is and only see the big "R" after his name.

So in reality, I will not so much be voting for Mitt, as I will be voting for the "Republican Party" this next time around.

But like I said....Mitt is not conservative, and the Republicans have shown in the last few elections that you need to appear very conservative to get the needed support of the conservative voters that get a Republican elected.

Right now, Mitt appears a worse choice for conservatives than even McCain was in the last election.

Mitt's chances will have a lot to do with what is happening in the economy next summer and into the election. And Obama is having a struggle with the a house that controls the money that is against him. I think that is why he is trying to scour through old bills to see exactly what they can implement as fast as they can---he has to get the money out there so things appear okay. But anyone who is paying attention can see that this is a short term gig and without long-term solutions, the economy will stay on its sluggish track. Obama has pitted himself against business leaders. He has changed the laws in a such a way that businesses are pulling away and moving away. He has shut down much of our gas resources. This election really will be about capitolism verses marxism. It will be interesting to see what the people want.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Huntsman has absolutely no chance to win. It is between Cain and Romney IMO and I prefer Cain over Romney at this point in time. But as I said before I would welcome a Romney win because I think it will be a good way to expose the false teachings of Mormonism.

I am not sure Rick Perry is out of the running yet. He has a lot of money and is an aggressive campaigner.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

I am not sure Rick Perry is out of the running yet. He has a lot of money and is an aggressive campaigner.

He did a terrible *** in the last debate.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

He did a terrible *** in the last debate.

I know. He just sat there and did very little if anything other than ask Romney a question that gave Romney a chance to shine.

[alanmolstad]

If Mitt leads the ticket , I will vote for him..

But because he is not a conservative I do not give him much of a chance

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

If Mitt leads the ticket , I will vote for him..

But because he is not a conservative I do not give him much of a chance

Because Mitt is not hard right and knows how to make businesses running again, I think he has the best chance against Obama.

We shall see. I think of all the candidates, Romney has the strongest resume as far as well-rounded and ready to deal with the issues. His more central leaning on social issues may harm him. We shall see.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

His more central leaning on social issues may harm him. We shall see.

yes...

The point is that we already have a person in Obama that appeals to the more liberal/central voter...

The thing lacking in the last election was someone who appealed to the strong pro-life voter...the true conservative.

at this point if Mitt gets the lead position on the ticket it may come down to the person he picks to be VP?

at that point, Mitt has a chance to swing hard for the conservatives and pick Herman Cain as his VP.

At that point the last republican doubters like Rush will jump on board and we would finally have a ticket people like myself can support.

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

yes...

The point is that we already have a person in Obama that appeals to the more liberal/central voter...

The thing lacking in the last election was someone who appealed to the strong pro-life voter...the true conservative.

at this point if Mitt gets the lead position on the ticket it may come down to the person he picks to be VP?

at that point, Mitt has a chance to swing hard for the conservatives and pick Herman Cain as his VP.

At that point the last republican doubters like Rush will jump on board and we would finally have a ticket people like myself can support.

I don't think Roe vs Wade is going to be overturned in the next four years, and Mitt is conservative enough he is not going to take it further left. I think this year will be determined on the economy and Obama's only shot is if he can flood enough money into the economy to make it "appear" that it is doing better. The underlying fundamentals of the economy right now speak to the fact that money in the system right now will only be temporary and even Obama's economist say that his ***s bill will be short-lived as it only does more of the same (which only works temporarily).

[Libby]

There is a revolution going on, in this country, (and around the world) and I don't think I can even speculate about where we are going to be, this time next year. I do know conservative answers have not been very popular, because they tend to protect the rich, and that is just not going over well, right now. Unless this new House can do something effective, I predict they will all be out in November of 2012. All of the new members will be up for re-election, at that time. Depending on what's going on, I can see the elections going in several different directions. It will be an interesting year, that's for sure.

[alanmolstad]

We shall see, it's hard to predict the future....

Right now all we can do is make a guess, and add a bit of wishful thinking to the mix.
and on that note:


My wishful thinking is thus>

Mitt fails to do well in the future, and after Iowa and New Hampshire and Florida have their say, Mitt drops out of the race.

Cain does stunningly well in the first 3 tests, and by the Florida vote is seen as the go-to guy for all the Republican and conservative base voters.

Cain wins the nomination and will lead the ticket, and picks...as his VP........

Condoleezza Rice!

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

We shall see, it's hard to predict the future....

Right now all we can do is make a guess, and add a bit of wishful thinking to the mix.
and on that note:


My wishful thinking is thus>

Mitt fails to do well in the future, and after Iowa and New Hampshire and Florida have their say, Mitt drops out of the race.

Cain does stunningly well in the first 3 tests, and by the Florida vote is seen as the go-to guy for all the Republican and conservative base voters.

Cain wins the nomination and will lead the ticket, and picks...as his VP........

Condoleezza Rice!

That will be interesting to see. I have alway slike Condoleezza Rice. She is a smart woman.

[alanmolstad]

if Mitt leads the ticket....pick a person to be his VP.....

but dont pick anyone in the race now.....

pick a name you think would actually be on the list of people that could add a lot to the ticket....