some Quotes To Consder

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

IOW--why do the faith alone deny keeping the commandments has anything to do with salvation?



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I have never talked with a "faith alone" believer, so i would not know...

[alanmolstad]

Thus,if keeping the law earned salvation, then we would have real proof that salvation was by works...

But the guy who had kept the law only finds out how pointless all that work had been when he is told he still lacks....even after a lifetime spent faithfully keeping the law he finds out that he is still going to come up short...

[alanmolstad]

this then also fits with the verse that teaches us that there is only one true work that matters to God....and that work is to "believe" in the son...

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post IOW--why do the faith alone deny keeping the commandments has anything to do with salvation?

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I have never talked with a "faith alone" believer, so i would not know...

That's strange--you haven't ever conversed with a Protestant?

Sola fide (Latin: by faith alone), also known as justification by faith alone, is a Christian theological doctrine that distinguishes most Protestant denominations from the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and some parts of the Restoration Movement.

Could you explain to us how you relate keeping the commandments with salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 Corinthians 7:19---King James Version (KJV)
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

[alanmolstad]

No...we are saved by grace...though faith alone and not by works....
I have talked with many christians who teach this bbible - backed teaching....but I have never ran into a christian who I would call a "faith alone " teacher here.....have you?


Mostly I just run into ignorant people that don't know what Christians are talking about....I tend to ignore their silly posts. ...

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post IOW--why do the faith alone deny keeping the commandments has anything to do with salvation?

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

I have never talked with a "faith alone" believer, so i would not know...

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post That's strange--you haven't ever conversed with a Protestant?

Sola fide (Latin: by faith alone), also known as justification by faith alone, is a Christian theological doctrine that distinguishes most Protestant denominations from the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and some parts of the Restoration Movement.

Could you explain to us how you relate keeping the commandments with salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 Corinthians 7:19---King James Version (KJV)
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

No...

Exactly--which is why I inquired as to why the faith alone deny the scriptures above.

we are saved by grace...though faith alone

There is only one mention of the term "faith alone" found in the entire Biblical text, in any translation you would depend on:

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[alanmolstad]

Again, ignorant people with silly posts are not worth my time

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

No...we are saved by grace...though faith alone

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

There is only one mention of the term "faith alone" found in the entire Biblical text, in any translation you would depend on:

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Again, ignorant people with silly posts are not worth my time

What do you consider ignorant or silly about James2:24? That it violates faith alone theology is not a viable explanation.

[Berean]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

That's strange--you haven't ever conversed with a Protestant?

Sola fide (Latin: by faith alone), also known as justification by faith alone, is a Christian theological doctrine that distinguishes most Protestant denominations from the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and some parts of the Restoration Movement.

Could you explain to us how you relate keeping the commandments with salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 Corinthians 7:19---King James Version (KJV)
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Why not allow your Mormon "scriptures" to tell you, rather than using the Bible as proof text when your leaders think it is corrupt, not reliable and essentially a work of Satan? That's kind of silly. For example:

"God gave many revelations to Hebrew Prophets, in the Hebrew language. Some of these revelations have been translated by human wisdom into many other languages, and called the Bible. The same revelations have been translated many times by different authors: but no two translations agree. They differ not only in words and style, but also in sentiment, according to the various opinions of the translators. These clashing translations are circulated among the people, as the words of God, when , in reality they are the words of translators; and words too, selected by their own human wisdom. ... Therefore, so far as the uninspired translators and the people are concerned, no part of the Bible can, with certainty, be known by them to be the word of God. ... The Hebrew and Greek m****cripts of the Bible from which translations have been made, are evidently very much corrupted, as appears from the fact, that scarcely any two copies are alike in any chapter or verse. ... This uncertainty, combined with the imperfections of uninspired translations, renders the Bibles of all languages, at the present day, emphatically the words of men, instead of the pure words of God." - Pratt, Spiritual Gifts, pages 70-71

Consequently, every time a Mormon uses the Bible as proof text, they are only quoting the words of men and not the Word of God.

So let's use your "scriptures," and please allow me the liberty to highlight some key words:

D&C 76 25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,

26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him*he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.

27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!

28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ*


53 And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true.

54 They are they who are the church of the Firstborn.

55 They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things*

56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory;

Mosiah 5:7 And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.

How do you justify denouncing "faith alone" when your own "scriptures" indicate that faith is Jesus Christ is the only means of "salvation?" Perhaps you should stop listening to the "words of men."

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post That's strange--you haven't ever conversed with a Protestant?

Sola fide (Latin: by faith alone), also known as justification by faith alone, is a Christian theological doctrine that distinguishes most Protestant denominations from the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and some parts of the Restoration Movement.

Could you explain to us how you relate keeping the commandments with salvation?

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Revelation 22:14---King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 Corinthians 7:19---King James Version (KJV)
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Originally Posted by Berean

Why not allow your Mormon "scriptures" to tell you, rather than using the Bible as proof text when your leaders think it is corrupt, not reliable and essentially a work of Satan?

Cite, please. The Bible is canonized scripture in the LDS church.

And it is the very source which testifies against faith alone theology:

James 2:24---New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Could you give us anything in the Biblical text which is not compatible with core salvational doctrines of the LDS church?

Berean--the LDS believe the above scriptures. Can you collate faith alone theology with the above scriptures?