Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash ...Really?

[theway]

Originally Posted by John T

PERHAPS if you asked Jill to remind him that you have asked TW to stay on topic about three times, she could remind him how rude he is being and otherwise acting as an obstructionist, contributing nothing positive to the thread.

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

I see you think a bit too much of yourself.. No there wouldn't be near the error to correct but would would till be here.. You are NOT the all in all of this site.. Stop posting and see that we would continue.. You are not necessary to our faith nor whether we share our knowledge about mormonism. There is always something to share here.. Your missionaries are everywhere and we need to keep up with the new nonsense they teach.. It can be hard to keep up with the changes in the unchangeable gospel of mormonism. We have each other to reveal all the new anti-biblical teaching that Salt Lake comes up with.. Conference is just around the corner.. IHS jim

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

How funny that we are all still here and where are your fellow Mormons? Flown the coop it seems. As a Christian it is most evident that there is no one among you who will defend your faith at all. Why is that theway? Is it because there IS no way to defend against the truth? And besides, we know the ONLY reason you come here is to be entertained. I would think you could find much more things to entertain yourself besides here, since YOU are NOT interested in learning. Such a pity that one would turn their back on learning of Jesus Christ, (the true Christ) not this made up version, the Garden Knome version that JS called Christ. My Jesus was ALWAYS GOD, never was nor is the brother of Satan, for Satan WAS created, was only an angel.....that's a far cry from being God don't you think? And we know why Satan was cast out of heaven don't we? Because he wanted to be like God and bragged how he was going to make himself like the most high God. It is called, "the great I wills"....

SATAN'S FIVE "I WILLS" (ISAIAH 14:12-15)
1. Satan's five I wills:
A. "I will ascend into Heaven."
B. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God." "I will rule angels." *** 38:7, Jude 13,
Rev. 12:3, 4.
C. "I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north." This is
Earth as a place. Psalm 48:2 "I will rule mankind."
D. "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds." "I'll be supreme." He wills to displace God as the Sovereign of the universe.

E. "I will be like the Most High." I'll be like God. This is power lust.

Can you see now what happens when even an angel living with God thinks he can be like God, and do what God does? Again, will you answer my question as to where one can find your churches idea that God was once a man and attained his position as God and that you too can become one? There is no scripture to defend such an idea but because of one man, Lorenzo Snow who made a comment, it was grabbed onto and made doctrine. Do you see the same happening here with that idea? To put yourself in the same position as our God is SIN! Oh, and one more thing, if this progression has been occurring for eternity, who does our God worship, for it only makes sense that he too would have a God above him? Thanks, hope this was entertaining enough for you.

[BrianH]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

I am pretty sure that if you actually read his post you will see that he was not in any way advocating for you to be banned. All he said was that he wanted you to be reminded to GET ON TOPIC, for once.

The LAST thing I want is for you to be banned. My whole purpose here is to get YOU to demonstrate that you absolutely cannot, under any possible circumstances in any way EVER address this topic in such a way as to provide actual support for the claims of your organization about this so-called "Book of Abraham".

Your continuing deflections and slippery evasions only prove my point with every single one of your posts.

Thank you for that.

-BH

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[jdjhere]

TheWay does NOT even attempt an answer at post #1 but DOES try to disrrupt it by attacking something else said and trying to change the subject. So, we KNOW TheWay is here but unable to answer post #1. So, my final request before I totally ignore TheWay is please answer post #1 by BrianH.

PS- and I agree with the fact that you are "full of yourself" as anyone would be who strives to be a god. Arrogance rears its ugly, deceitful head... "I will be like the Most High..." and may the Lord deal with it accordingly.

[theway]

Originally Posted by jdjhere

TheWay does NOT even attempt an answer at post #1 but DOES try to disrrupt it by attacking something else said and trying to change the subject. So, we KNOW TheWay is here but unable to answer post #1. So, my final request before I totally ignore TheWay is please answer post #1 by BrianH.

PS- and I agree with the fact that you are "full of yourself" as anyone would be who strives to be a god. Arrogance rears its ugly, deceitful head... "I will be like the Most High..." and may the Lord deal with it accordingly.

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

[jdjhere]

Enlighten us then. Answer post #1. Teach us all something since this is so "boring" to you. (Could it just be that you cannot answer it??)

[jdjhere]

BrianH posted this 50+ days ago and still no answers. Ok TheWay... it is time for you to shine. Go....

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

If you find this forum and this thread boring, then why do you keep posting? As I said earlier and I wonder if you even read it, I am sure you could find something to entertain yourself besides coming here. Now, stop evading pertinent questions, or not but if you chose not; then it only proves once again that there is no defense against truth.

[BrianH]

Originally Posted by theway

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

Cl***ic Mormon cop-out: arrogant, evasive, complaining ...yet ultimately it is totally empty of any substance whatsoever. It is conclusive proof that there is no defense for the lies upon which Mormonism is founded. But...

This is what happens to the minds of people who turn into Mormons.

-BH

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[Radix]

Originally Posted by theway

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

If you cannot address the topic of this thread, then away with you (from this thread, happy to interact when you actually try to do so.) A last holdout who contributes nothing is not any different than the silence of all Mormons put together. No need to be "extra nice" to you.

[John T]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

Get over yourself!

You are not really that important in the scheme of things here. With or without you God's work of evangelizing LDS and the wavering, and exposing the many many, too many false things of Mormonism will continue unabated.

[neverending]

Well said John T! Thank you.

[Jill]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

TW--this board was never down (if that's what you mean) and frankly, we do not worry about that at all. The WM Board is for anyone who would like to discuss things respectfully, and since 95% of the Mormons who posted here were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology--only pester those who did--it is no great loss that they've decided to go elsewhere.

As to the board being quiet at the present time, I have no problem with that and actually hope that we can focus on quality instead of quan***y. We're not out to win any popularity contests, only to get to know each other better.

[Snow Patrol]

Originally Posted by Jill

The WM Board is for anyone who would like to discuss things respectfully, and since 95% of the Mormons who posted here were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology--only pester those who did--it is no great loss that they've decided to go elsewhere.

Is 95% an actual number that you've calculated or is it more a figure of speech/generalization?

I would guess the number of LDS that I've seen over the years has totalled around 20 different people. That would mean 19 of those people were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology. Is that you actual experience with LDS members?

[BrianH]

Since you are here, would you please provide us with a defense of the claims of your organization about its "scriptures" supposedly being translated correctly. Specifically, can you show us some reasons to think that Smith identified these named Egyptian idol/gods correctly?

-BH

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[BrianH]

I asked Mr. Patrol if he could please provide a defense for the claims of his organization pertaining to the supposed truth of their "scriptures" and their miraculous translation - specifically if he could show that his "prophet" managed to at least name these four well-known Egyptian idols correctly.

As is so consistent with Mormon behavior ...Mr. Patrol fled.

Obviously there is no reason to think that Joe Smith translated the so-called "Book of Abraham" correctly, and he knows it. But as is also consistent with Mormon behavior, he will still go on "belieeeeeving" that his leaders are telling the TRUTH.

This is what being deceived is.

Mormonism is a lie.

-BH

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[neverending]

Brian,
I've asked theway 4 times the same question but as usual, there's no answer. So, guess since no Mormon is willing to answer important questions, we are left to continue to hold onto our faith and knowledge that Mormonism is false. No matter how much we present problems with Mormonism, a member won't be affected by it without us praying and the Holy Spirit working in their heart and mind.
As a former member of that cult, I do understand that many remain only because of family and knowing how they would be rejected and possibly lose the love of that family. It happened to me and it caused me to become depressed. Every day I would get a phone call from my mother who gave me the third degree for having left Mormonusm but finally, as I was reading my scriptures one day, I came upon this verse: Matthew 10:37. Oh the joy that then entered my heart and I realized that the Holy Spirit had brought me to that verse which I needed. That verse made it known to my mind and heart that my decision to chose Christ was right.
It has now been over 30 years since I came out of Mormonism; both my parents have p***ed on but even though, they never chose Christ, God chose me, I can't thank him enough for wanting me to be a part of HIS family, HIS eternal family.

[Snow Patrol]

Originally Posted by neverending

.....No matter how much we present problems with Mormonism, a member won't be affected by it without us praying and the Holy Spirit working in their heart and mind.
As a former member of that cult, I do understand that many remain only because of family and knowing how they would be rejected and possibly lose the love of that family. It happened to me and it caused me to become depressed. Every day I would get a phone call from my mother who gave me the third degree for having left Mormonusm but finally, as I was reading my scriptures one day, I came upon this verse: Matthew 10:37. Oh the joy that then entered my heart and I realized that the Holy Spirit had brought me to that verse which I needed. That verse made it known to my mind and heart that my decision to chose Christ was right.
It has now been over 30 years since I came out of Mormonism; both my parents have p***ed on but even though, they never chose Christ, God chose me, I can't thank him enough for wanting me to be a part of HIS family, HIS eternal family.

Neverending, I ask this with all sincerity and sensitivity. You said that you can't thank God enough for choosing you and for wanting you to be a part of His family. You also said that you feel you need to pray and have the Holy Spirit work on LDS members to release them from the bounds of Mormonism. My question is...have you ever wondered why God didn't work on your parents enough to have to them be saved as well? It is a concept that I trying to understand better. Maybe you are not in the Calvanism crowd and so you may feel that man has a little more saying in whether they are saved or not, I don't know. So I'm asking you so that I might better understand your theological beliefs.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Neverending, I ask this with all sincerity and sensitivity. You said that you can't thank God enough for choosing you and for wanting you to be a part of His family. You also said that you feel you need to pray and have the Holy Spirit work on LDS members to release them from the bounds of Mormonism. My question is...have you ever wondered why God didn't work on your parents enough to have to them be saved as well? It is a concept that I trying to understand better. Maybe you are not in the Calvanism crowd and so you may feel that man has a little more saying in whether they are saved or not, I don't know. So I'm asking you so that I might better understand your theological beliefs.

You have just touched a nerve to both Valerie and myself.. For those we love to p*** into eternity without Christ is a terrible thing.. Still God would never force anyone to love Him and accept His gift He died to give to them. Does He know who will do so, YES! Even before they were born God knew what they would do. If they would accept His gift of life or turn away from Him to gods of their own devices and imagination.. I witnessed again and again to Valerie's parents. All I got from them was the stone wall of "I know Mormonism it's true because of my testimony".. Never mind that they had no Biblical authority for one single point of unique mormon doctrine that resides only in the wild teachings of Joseph Smith..and soon, my mother-in-law would walk out of the room, refusing to even listen.

At least Valerie's dad tried to biblically defend his mormon beliefs.. I guess you and the other regular LDS posters here, have seen the truth so much you ignore it.. When I showed Valerie's dad how the BofM was changed over 3,000 times he was upset and denied that it was ever changed.. You admit it but say that it's ok because Smith fixed it later.. Never mind that Smith said it was translated by the spirit and power of God and all the words used were God's and not his.

Valerie's father agreed with the doctrine that Smith was not involved in the translation process, but because of his testimony he couldn't deal with the BofM needing changing.. I can't believe that you can just set aside that God gave the wording to the BofM (1830) that made God sound like he was a hillbilly, and that Smith after the translation was completed, had the authority to just willy-nilly make changes in what God had given to him.. Valerie's dad was honestly uneducated. He denied that I was being truthful about the problems with mormonism and lived solely by his testimony anything that challenged it was of the devil, even if it was the history of his own church as shown by the sesquicentennial of the BofM printed by the LDS church.. I never showed him any of the Tanner's research. He called that printing a lie, he got mad then and many times thereafter.. It got so bad that my NIV Bible disappeared after one of his visits.. Never did find it.. Some people like you just ignore the problem like they don't matter. Others like Valerie's dad get angry like I am making all the problems with mormonism up as part of my own imagination.. Now because the anniversary of her dad's death is upon us. I would ask you to leave this alone.. IHS jim

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by James Banta

I guess you and the other regular LDS posters here, have seen the truth so much you ignore it..

Jim why do you think that some LDS can't see what seems obvious to Christians?

[neverending]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Neverending, I ask this with all sincerity and sensitivity. You said that you can't thank God enough for choosing you and for wanting you to be a part of His family. You also said that you feel you need to pray and have the Holy Spirit work on LDS members to release them from the bounds of Mormonism. My question is...have you ever wondered why God didn't work on your parents enough to have to them be saved as well? It is a concept that I trying to understand better. Maybe you are not in the Calvanism crowd and so you may feel that man has a little more saying in whether they are saved or not, I don't know. So I'm asking you so that I might better understand your theological beliefs.

Snow,
All I can tell you about my parents was that they were stubborn, refusing to accept the truths that were presented to them. My father was a very proud man, which in and of itself is sin but he would NEVER ever say he could have been wrong about anything, no matter how evident it might have been. Do you not think I didn' pray for my parents to understand the things James and I were trying to tell them? I would be on my knees sobbing sometimes not even being able to speak for I wanted so badly for my parents to be saved but it was not to be but that was only due to them not wanting to be saved; after all, they already believed they had the truth.

I do believe that there are people that God knew or pre-destined to accept him. I believe too that ALL men have the freedom to either accept His grace or not. God doesn't want a bunch of robots running around, he wants people to come willingly to him. You have a choice, to either remain in a religion that is full of falsehoods, teaches unbiblical doctrines that can't be defended by any scripture in the Bible or accept the true God and Jesus Christ who have been taught for millenia from the pulpits of Christian churches. When you decide what is important to you and your eternal destiny, maybe then you can see without the scales covering your eyes, the truths. God's hand is reaching out to you with his gift of salvation, but it requires a BIG leap of faith on your part and wanting that gift.

What I can't understand is why someone wouldn't want God's gift. Why don't you want it, Snow, its free and the gift lasts forever!

[Radix]

Originally Posted by Snow Patrol

Neverending, I ask this with all sincerity and sensitivity. You said that you can't thank God enough for choosing you and for wanting you to be a part of His family. You also said that you feel you need to pray and have the Holy Spirit work on LDS members to release them from the bounds of Mormonism. My question is...have you ever wondered why God didn't work on your parents enough to have to them be saved as well? It is a concept that I trying to understand better. Maybe you are not in the Calvanism crowd and so you may feel that man has a little more saying in whether they are saved or not, I don't know. So I'm asking you so that I might better understand your theological beliefs.

Snow Patrol. Why does your theological beliefs not allow you to deal with the opening post of this thread? Just trying to understand.

[theway]

Originally Posted by neverending

I've asked theway 4 times the same question but as usual, there's no answer.

No, you’ve asked multiple questions which are also multipart questions, however I don’t answer shotgun questions, that’s because most critics will then claim nothing was answered if I left out just one part of their post. Just ask one at a time and I will be happy to answer.

Originally Posted by neverending

So, guess since no Mormon is willing to answer important questions, we are left to continue to hold onto our faith and knowledge that Mormonism is false.

Oh really, are you’re saying that had I answered whatever it was that you asked of me, that you might of given up your faith to follow the truth of Mormonism? however alas, since I did not, I it is my fault you are left to wander the earth with incorrect beliefs?
Neverending, if you go back you will find that one of my first posts to new forums is always to tell posters that I can not be shamed or made to feel guilty, so don’t try.
Therefore you might as well unbait that hook.

Originally Posted by neverending

No matter how much we present problems with Mormonism, a member won't be affected by it without us praying and the Holy Spirit working in their heart and mind.

Well, it hasn’t work for me, critics and ministers have been praying and prophesying for 30 years that I will accept their various versions of the gospel, and yet I’m still LDS. The Holy Ghost has opened up my mind and heart, but He has only showed me that the gospel as it exists in the LDS Church is the Lord’s gospel. Well that’s from my point of view anyway, from yours it’s because the Holy Ghost was really Satan. In any case, one of the reasons your “ministry” is not working on the LDS by showing them the “problems” within the Church, is because what ever problems there are in the LDS Church, that problem is amplified a hundred fold within the Christian body.

Originally Posted by neverending

As a former member of that cult, I do understand that many remain only because of family and knowing how they would be rejected and possibly lose the love of that family. It happened to me and it caused me to become depressed.

As is true with almost anybody changing from the religion that is the family religion. By the same token, this could also play into your leaving the Church if your husband left first. However just because this happened to you does not mean you can project that onto the rest of the Church members. For instance, the rest of my wife’s family is not Mormon, and one is even a part time Minister/Preacher, it would be a lot less stressful on our family if we were not members, my mother also stop telling me how to dress when I was 18, as she realized she has no more control over the choices I make anymore.

Originally Posted by neverending

Every day I would get a phone call from my mother who gave me the third degree for having left Mormonusm but finally, as I was reading my scriptures one day, I came upon this verse: Matthew 10:37. Oh the joy that then entered my heart and I realized that the Holy Spirit had brought me to that verse which I needed. That verse made it known to my mind and heart that my decision to chose Christ was right.

Like I said, I had this revelation when I was 18, and I’m still an LDS. How do you know the Holy Ghost was not talking about your husband?

Originally Posted by neverending

It has now been over 30 years since I came out of Mormonism; both my parents have p***ed on but even though, they never chose Christ, God chose me, I can't thank him enough for wanting me to be a part of HIS family, HIS eternal family.

Yes that sounds eerily familiar;
Alma 31:15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children…


One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, it’s all in your point of view.

[James Banta]

We have shown you many times that Mormonism teaches many Gods.. Calling the Father a god, Jesus a god, and the Holy Spirit yet another God.. Smith confirmed that was his doctrine of the nature of God.. He even said it "We have three gods". That is a center piece of mormonism.. That and the idea that God was not always God but became some by obedience to laws and ordinances.. That is NOT the God of the Bible.. You have never outside the wild, hair on fire, rants of Joseph Smith shown that there are more true and living Gods than the ONE GOD the Bible teaches.. Remember the whole of the Bible must be true. To make the Father God, Jesus God, and the Holy Spirit God and hold that there in but one God you must believe the Trinity.. Other wise you are nothing more than Smith a pagan polytheist.. The only question I would ask is how can the three persons that are called God be three separate Gods and keep the Bible true? Over the time I have been on WM I have asked that same questions many times and it has ALWAYS been answered with silence.. It's on;y one question.. You just said you would answer them if they came one at a time so answer it.. I think I know what you will say.. I will send one of my friends the answer I except from you and will will see if I am correct about your side stepping of the question.. IHS jim