Conservative and Liberal Christians: Winning! Losing!

[TheSword99]

Originally Posted by Libby

TS, this planet is more than 6000 years old and man most likely evolved from a lower life form. Scientists will tell you we absolutely did, no question about it...and most people accept that.

As for Christianity changing, it has changed a LOT over the centuries, which is something (for some reason) many Christians don't want to admit. I'm talking about peripheral beliefs, not really the essence or core, which has always been Christ's atonement and resurrection. But, peripheral believes can and do change. The church is not really keeping up with the culture, in that regard, especially the conservative side.

Are you saying you believe in evolution? If man evolved from apes then why are there still apes?

Yes, religious views do change. Just look at Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness just to name two.

No, the problem is not that the church needs to keep up with the culture. The problem is people refuse to come to God so that they may have eternal life.

[alanmolstad]

Liberal Christians are a fake religion and are destroying the churches they are members of.

They rip down what the church teaches and put in place teachings from the pit of hell....

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Liberal Christians are a fake religion and are destroying the churches they are members of.

They rip down what the church teaches and put in place teachings from the pit of hell....

Far worse than Mormonism as a cult. And perhaps nearly equal to Islam in destructive status, if not pure equal or even superior.

[TheSword99]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Liberal Christians are a fake religion and are destroying the churches they are members of.

They rip down what the church teaches and put in place teachings from the pit of hell....

Have to agree with you there, Alan.

[Libby]

Amazing.

If anything, the religious right is much more akin to Islam.

Liberalism is about protecting the rights of ALL.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Libby

Amazing.

If anything, the religious right is much more akin to Islam.

Liberalism is about protecting the rights of ALL.

Nothing more wrong could be said.

[Libby]

I have no idea how someone could compare liberalism to Islam (of all things). That's just crazy.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Libby

I have no idea how someone could compare liberalism to Islam (of all things). That's just crazy.

Islam has compulsory (spelling) charity.

The problem is, that if you make something mandatory, it's not charity.

[Libby]

When you have a democracy and can vote on whether or not these things will be provided to the poor, it is not strictly "compulsory". We have all made an agreement, as U.S. citizens, to abide by majority rule (in most cases...unless civil rights are involved), so everyone gets a say about whether or not these things are ins***uted. And, if "the people" decide they don't want them, they will vote them out or vote out the politicians who are putting them in place. We always, as a country or state, have a choice.

That is not even close to a dictatorship or rule by theocracy (as many Islamic countries have). A ridiculous comparison.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Libby

When you have a democracy and can vote on whether or not these things will be provided to the poor, it is not strictly "compulsory". We have all made an agreement, as U.S. citizens, to abide by majority rule (in most cases...unless civil rights are involved), so everyone gets a say about whether or not these things are ins***uted. And, if "the people" decide they don't want them, they will vote them out or vote out the politicians who are putting them in place. We always, as a country or state, have a choice.

That is not even close to a dictatorship or rule by theocracy (as many Islamic countries have). A ridiculous comparison.

Just an observation, but some Maoist and Stalinist dictatorships have really been nothing but theocracies in disguise.

Those were 'athiest" nations however.

[Libby]

A theocracy, by definition, cannot be run by atheists.

Mao and Stalin were communist dictators.

[ActRaiser]

Originally Posted by Libby

A theocracy, by definition, cannot be run by atheists.

Mao and Stalin were communist dictators.

And yet. . . they were pretty close to the Emperors of Rome in my opinion.

[TheSword99]

Originally Posted by Libby

Amazing.

If anything, the religious right is much more akin to Islam.

Liberalism is about protecting the rights of ALL.

What liberal christians have done is deny and suppress the clear teachings in the Scriptures in order to please everybody. They make God out to be like the god in the book "The Shack." That God is all love and never chastises. Believe anything. By denying hell, they give others a false sense of security. They have diluted original Christianity and Mormonism have gone the opposite extreme. They pile on so much junk that the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ is all but recognizable.

[Libby]

Christianity is already corrupted. Has been for centuries. At least, the Progressive Christians are bringing Christ's true message of love and hope back to the people.

Love and hope vs fear, anger and retribution. I'll take love and hope, any day over the latter.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by TheSword99

Are you saying you believe in evolution? If man evolved from apes then why are there still apes?

Yes, religious views do change. Just look at Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness just to name two.

No, the problem is not that the church needs to keep up with the culture. The problem is people refuse to come to God so that they may have eternal life.

Well, I think the problem is more cultural.

As for apes, there are probably hundreds of varieties, not just one strain. Likely, man is an offshoot, many thousands of years ago. That is not to say we are not God's creation. I believe we are, very much so. Genesis is allegory.