Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash ...Really?

[John T]

Originally Posted by theway

Deut. 18 says no such thing.

if you actually READ the Bible before your keyboard ejaculated a wrong response, you would not have your breath smelling like athlete's feet.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to p***, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

It is also called being BUSTED!

[theway]

Originally Posted by John T

if you actually READ the Bible before your keyboard ejaculated a wrong response, you would not have your breath smelling like athlete's feet.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to p***, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

It is also called being BUSTED!

Sorry John, as usual you have not been following along. James claimed this is how to identify a false Prophet from a real one. I pointed out that there was no such thing in the OT as a false Prophet. There were either Prophets of God or Prophets of Baal or of some other idol. Within the Prophets of God there were those that followed God's teachings and those that used their position to get gain. In order for Joseph Smith to even qualify for your test you would have had to have considered him a Prophet of God first, who has become a fallen Prophet. I don't think you want to do that, do you?

I also notice you left out verses 18 and 19, why was that?
That shoe you're smelling, is your own.

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

Sorry John, as usual you have not been following along. James claimed this is how to identify a false Prophet from a real one. I pointed out that there was no such thing in the OT as a false Prophet. There were either Prophets of God or Prophets of Baal or of some other idol. Within the Prophets of God there were those that followed God's teachings and those that used their position to get gain. In order for Joseph Smith to even qualify for your test you would have had to have considered him a Prophet of God first, who has become a fallen Prophet. I don't think you want to do that, do you?

I also notice you left out verses 18 and 19, why was that?
That shoe you're smelling, is your own.

I am so amazed at how you can not see the difference between a "true" prophet and one that is false! Prophets of Baal WERE false prophets because Baal was a FALSE god! Notice, small "g" again? JS proclaimed things that have caused millions to believe in a "false god". What is so hard to understand? Your comment was rude AND not necessary!

[BrianH]

Sorry John, as usual you have not been following along. James claimed this is how to identify a false Prophet from a real one. I pointed out that there was no such thing in the OT as a false Prophet. There were either Prophets of God or Prophets of Baal or of some other idol.

Aside from being totally off topic, this is a self-contradictory statement ...unless of course you "think" that Baal is a real God, which would not surprise me at all since as a Mormon you are a polytheist.

Meanwhile, I will remind you and everyone else here that this thread is about Smith's identification of the VERY common Egyptian deities (idols) as " Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash".

The challenge you are so obviously avoiding here is the challenge to substantiate this supposed divine "revelation" as claimed by your so-called "prophet". Please show us a reason to think that his alleged revelation of the iden***ies of the names of these idols was actually CORRECT.

For my part I am prepared to show you that this claim is totally and completely false based on the actual FACTS of Egyptian myth and lore, and that these Egyptian deities (idols - the product of men's imaginations), were NOT "Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash" as Smith claimed and thus his so-called "revelation" in your "scriptures" was nothing but a HOAX.

-BH

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[Radix]

theway is not capable of staying on topic here Brain. Use of any two functioning common sense neurons would give him reason to actually leave Mormonism, thus he will never deal with this.

Amazing how much abuse one will allow because he/she has no chance of ever standing up for their so called prophet.

[John T]

Originally Posted by BrianH

Aside from being totally off topic...

Meanwhile, I will remind you and everyone else here that this thread is about Smith's identification of the VERY common Egyptian deities (idols) as " Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash".

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For my part I am prepared to show you that this claim is totally and completely false based on the actual FACTS of Egyptian myth and lore, and that these Egyptian deities (idols - the product of men's imaginations), were NOT "Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash" as Smith claimed and thus his so-called "revelation" in your "scriptures" was nothing but a HOAX.

-BH

PERHAPS if you asked Jill to remind him that you have asked TW to stay on topic about three times, she could remind him how rude he is being and otherwise acting as an obstructionist, contributing nothing positive to the thread.

[theway]

Originally Posted by John T

PERHAPS if you asked Jill to remind him that you have asked TW to stay on topic about three times, she could remind him how rude he is being and otherwise acting as an obstructionist, contributing nothing positive to the thread.

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

I see you think a bit too much of yourself.. No there wouldn't be near the error to correct but would would till be here.. You are NOT the all in all of this site.. Stop posting and see that we would continue.. You are not necessary to our faith nor whether we share our knowledge about mormonism. There is always something to share here.. Your missionaries are everywhere and we need to keep up with the new nonsense they teach.. It can be hard to keep up with the changes in the unchangeable gospel of mormonism. We have each other to reveal all the new anti-biblical teaching that Salt Lake comes up with.. Conference is just around the corner.. IHS jim

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

How funny that we are all still here and where are your fellow Mormons? Flown the coop it seems. As a Christian it is most evident that there is no one among you who will defend your faith at all. Why is that theway? Is it because there IS no way to defend against the truth? And besides, we know the ONLY reason you come here is to be entertained. I would think you could find much more things to entertain yourself besides here, since YOU are NOT interested in learning. Such a pity that one would turn their back on learning of Jesus Christ, (the true Christ) not this made up version, the Garden Knome version that JS called Christ. My Jesus was ALWAYS GOD, never was nor is the brother of Satan, for Satan WAS created, was only an angel.....that's a far cry from being God don't you think? And we know why Satan was cast out of heaven don't we? Because he wanted to be like God and bragged how he was going to make himself like the most high God. It is called, "the great I wills"....

SATAN'S FIVE "I WILLS" (ISAIAH 14:12-15)
1. Satan's five I wills:
A. "I will ascend into Heaven."
B. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God." "I will rule angels." *** 38:7, Jude 13,
Rev. 12:3, 4.
C. "I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north." This is
Earth as a place. Psalm 48:2 "I will rule mankind."
D. "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds." "I'll be supreme." He wills to displace God as the Sovereign of the universe.

E. "I will be like the Most High." I'll be like God. This is power lust.

Can you see now what happens when even an angel living with God thinks he can be like God, and do what God does? Again, will you answer my question as to where one can find your churches idea that God was once a man and attained his position as God and that you too can become one? There is no scripture to defend such an idea but because of one man, Lorenzo Snow who made a comment, it was grabbed onto and made doctrine. Do you see the same happening here with that idea? To put yourself in the same position as our God is SIN! Oh, and one more thing, if this progression has been occurring for eternity, who does our God worship, for it only makes sense that he too would have a God above him? Thanks, hope this was entertaining enough for you.

[BrianH]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

I am pretty sure that if you actually read his post you will see that he was not in any way advocating for you to be banned. All he said was that he wanted you to be reminded to GET ON TOPIC, for once.

The LAST thing I want is for you to be banned. My whole purpose here is to get YOU to demonstrate that you absolutely cannot, under any possible circumstances in any way EVER address this topic in such a way as to provide actual support for the claims of your organization about this so-called "Book of Abraham".

Your continuing deflections and slippery evasions only prove my point with every single one of your posts.

Thank you for that.

-BH

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[jdjhere]

TheWay does NOT even attempt an answer at post #1 but DOES try to disrrupt it by attacking something else said and trying to change the subject. So, we KNOW TheWay is here but unable to answer post #1. So, my final request before I totally ignore TheWay is please answer post #1 by BrianH.

PS- and I agree with the fact that you are "full of yourself" as anyone would be who strives to be a god. Arrogance rears its ugly, deceitful head... "I will be like the Most High..." and may the Lord deal with it accordingly.

[theway]

Originally Posted by jdjhere

TheWay does NOT even attempt an answer at post #1 but DOES try to disrrupt it by attacking something else said and trying to change the subject. So, we KNOW TheWay is here but unable to answer post #1. So, my final request before I totally ignore TheWay is please answer post #1 by BrianH.

PS- and I agree with the fact that you are "full of yourself" as anyone would be who strives to be a god. Arrogance rears its ugly, deceitful head... "I will be like the Most High..." and may the Lord deal with it accordingly.

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

[jdjhere]

Enlighten us then. Answer post #1. Teach us all something since this is so "boring" to you. (Could it just be that you cannot answer it??)

[jdjhere]

BrianH posted this 50+ days ago and still no answers. Ok TheWay... it is time for you to shine. Go....

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

If you find this forum and this thread boring, then why do you keep posting? As I said earlier and I wonder if you even read it, I am sure you could find something to entertain yourself besides coming here. Now, stop evading pertinent questions, or not but if you chose not; then it only proves once again that there is no defense against truth.

[BrianH]

Originally Posted by theway

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

Cl***ic Mormon cop-out: arrogant, evasive, complaining ...yet ultimately it is totally empty of any substance whatsoever. It is conclusive proof that there is no defense for the lies upon which Mormonism is founded. But...

This is what happens to the minds of people who turn into Mormons.

-BH

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[Radix]

Originally Posted by theway

Quit trying to change the topic by making it all about me!

I do not start threads, so make a better thread (less boring) and I will respond.

If you cannot address the topic of this thread, then away with you (from this thread, happy to interact when you actually try to do so.) A last holdout who contributes nothing is not any different than the silence of all Mormons put together. No need to be "extra nice" to you.

[John T]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

Get over yourself!

You are not really that important in the scheme of things here. With or without you God's work of evangelizing LDS and the wavering, and exposing the many many, too many false things of Mormonism will continue unabated.

[neverending]

Well said John T! Thank you.

[Jill]

Originally Posted by theway

Careful…seeing as though I’m the only Mormon that has posted here in the last week, and discussions between Mormons and non-Mormons represent 98% to 99% of the activity on this forum and this web site, if I was banned you guys would only have each other to talk to, and we all know how that turned out the last time. This site would be down inside of a month.

TW--this board was never down (if that's what you mean) and frankly, we do not worry about that at all. The WM Board is for anyone who would like to discuss things respectfully, and since 95% of the Mormons who posted here were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology--only pester those who did--it is no great loss that they've decided to go elsewhere.

As to the board being quiet at the present time, I have no problem with that and actually hope that we can focus on quality instead of quan***y. We're not out to win any popularity contests, only to get to know each other better.

[Snow Patrol]

Originally Posted by Jill

The WM Board is for anyone who would like to discuss things respectfully, and since 95% of the Mormons who posted here were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology--only pester those who did--it is no great loss that they've decided to go elsewhere.

Is 95% an actual number that you've calculated or is it more a figure of speech/generalization?

I would guess the number of LDS that I've seen over the years has totalled around 20 different people. That would mean 19 of those people were not respectful and did not wish to discuss theology. Is that you actual experience with LDS members?

[BrianH]

Since you are here, would you please provide us with a defense of the claims of your organization about its "scriptures" supposedly being translated correctly. Specifically, can you show us some reasons to think that Smith identified these named Egyptian idol/gods correctly?

-BH

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[BrianH]

I asked Mr. Patrol if he could please provide a defense for the claims of his organization pertaining to the supposed truth of their "scriptures" and their miraculous translation - specifically if he could show that his "prophet" managed to at least name these four well-known Egyptian idols correctly.

As is so consistent with Mormon behavior ...Mr. Patrol fled.

Obviously there is no reason to think that Joe Smith translated the so-called "Book of Abraham" correctly, and he knows it. But as is also consistent with Mormon behavior, he will still go on "belieeeeeving" that his leaders are telling the TRUTH.

This is what being deceived is.

Mormonism is a lie.

-BH

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[neverending]

Brian,
I've asked theway 4 times the same question but as usual, there's no answer. So, guess since no Mormon is willing to answer important questions, we are left to continue to hold onto our faith and knowledge that Mormonism is false. No matter how much we present problems with Mormonism, a member won't be affected by it without us praying and the Holy Spirit working in their heart and mind.
As a former member of that cult, I do understand that many remain only because of family and knowing how they would be rejected and possibly lose the love of that family. It happened to me and it caused me to become depressed. Every day I would get a phone call from my mother who gave me the third degree for having left Mormonusm but finally, as I was reading my scriptures one day, I came upon this verse: Matthew 10:37. Oh the joy that then entered my heart and I realized that the Holy Spirit had brought me to that verse which I needed. That verse made it known to my mind and heart that my decision to chose Christ was right.
It has now been over 30 years since I came out of Mormonism; both my parents have p***ed on but even though, they never chose Christ, God chose me, I can't thank him enough for wanting me to be a part of HIS family, HIS eternal family.

[Snow Patrol]

Originally Posted by neverending

.....No matter how much we present problems with Mormonism, a member won't be affected by it without us praying and the Holy Spirit working in their heart and mind.
As a former member of that cult, I do understand that many remain only because of family and knowing how they would be rejected and possibly lose the love of that family. It happened to me and it caused me to become depressed. Every day I would get a phone call from my mother who gave me the third degree for having left Mormonusm but finally, as I was reading my scriptures one day, I came upon this verse: Matthew 10:37. Oh the joy that then entered my heart and I realized that the Holy Spirit had brought me to that verse which I needed. That verse made it known to my mind and heart that my decision to chose Christ was right.
It has now been over 30 years since I came out of Mormonism; both my parents have p***ed on but even though, they never chose Christ, God chose me, I can't thank him enough for wanting me to be a part of HIS family, HIS eternal family.

Neverending, I ask this with all sincerity and sensitivity. You said that you can't thank God enough for choosing you and for wanting you to be a part of His family. You also said that you feel you need to pray and have the Holy Spirit work on LDS members to release them from the bounds of Mormonism. My question is...have you ever wondered why God didn't work on your parents enough to have to them be saved as well? It is a concept that I trying to understand better. Maybe you are not in the Calvanism crowd and so you may feel that man has a little more saying in whether they are saved or not, I don't know. So I'm asking you so that I might better understand your theological beliefs.