no need to restore the truth

[disciple]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

of course paul didn't say that. paul wouldn't have said something that was so false. he left that *** for 21st-century anti-mormons.

You are right that Paul would not say something false. He wrote the following in regard to Jesus and because we know it is true then Jesus cannot be a brother to satan, as He created all the angles and you will also notice Jesus is the head of the true church of which He said that even the gates of hell would not prevail against it. So the church was alive and spreading the Gospel from 33Ad right up to 1830 and is still doing it. No need for an addition to the Bible.
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence."

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by disciple

You are right that Paul would not say something false.

but 2000 years later, some people are saying false things about what paul said. keep reading for examples.

He wrote the following in regard to Jesus and because we know it is true then Jesus cannot be a brother to satan, as He created all the angles

example number one--i bolded it for you

and you will also notice Jesus is the head of the true church of which He said that even the gates of hell would not prevail against it. So the church was alive and spreading the Gospel from 33Ad right up to 1830 and is still doing it. No need for an addition to the Bible.

but the bible has had things added to it. things such as the new testament, which was added to the bible that had been complete (according to israel) since the book of malachi was finished and added to it.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

don't you mean "the firstborn OF all creation" ?

it's written that way in the bible that many christians use. so how can it be a lie?

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible,

so you believe that jesus created every single invisible thing that is in heaven?
but don't you believe that Jesus' Father in heaven is invisible, and in heaven?

then you believe that Jesus created His Father.

paul never said that.

example number two, i guess.

[disciple]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

but 2000 years later, some people are saying false things about what paul said. keep reading for examples.


example number one--i bolded it for you


but the bible has had things added to it. things such as the new testament, which was added to the bible that had been complete (according to israel) since the book of malachi was finished and added to it.


don't you mean "the firstborn OF all creation" ?

it's written that way in the bible that many christians use. so how can it be a lie?



so you believe that jesus created every single invisible thing that is in heaven?
but don't you believe that Jesus' Father in heaven is invisible, and in heaven?

then you believe that Jesus created His Father.

paul never said that.

example number two, i guess.

Come on Phoenix, I gave you Colossians 1:15-18 right from the Bible, the New Testament is part of the Bible last I checked.
If you disagree with Col 1:15-18 you are disagreeing with God not me.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

so you believe that jesus created every single invisible thing that is in heaven?
.

God is not a "thing"
God is not created...

God created all "things"

So there is God.....and there are "things"
The two are totally different and should not be confused with each other...

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by childofgod

And you just admit God and Jesus are separate beings.

The Father is God Almighty
The Son is God Almighty
The Spirit is God Almighty....yet there are not 3 gods ,just the One God!

The 3 persons are the One God.

[alanmolstad]

3 persons...One God....someone can't read...

[Christian]

Originally Posted by childofgod

3 persons = 3 Gods
Nothing in scripture supports Paganism

TRUE, NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS MORMONISM.

NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS 3 REAL GODS EITHER.

3 GODS contradicts Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 44,10 etc etc etc

Yet mormonism teaches 3 GODS ANYWAY (pbp abraham 4:1ff)

Mormonism contradicts JESUS CHRIST. Mormonism contradicts GOD. Mormonism is a PAGAN religion, invented (made-up) by joey smith. Mormonism is NOT CHRISTIAN, DOES NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

but don't you believe that Jesus' Father in heaven is invisible, .

Jesus Christ is the image of the "invisible God"

[Christian]

Originally Posted by childofgod

You mean the invisible God Stephen saw for himself as described in Acts? Not just God's glory, but God himself. You know, the part where he knew there was a difference between the Father and Son?

Try again. . .you failed on this one.

GOD DOES NOT LIE; HE DOES NOT CONTRADICT HIMSELF. Only pagans like the mormons believe He does.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by childofgod

No I didn't. Have you ever made it to Acts? Stephen sees the Father and Son both just before his martyrdom.

You mean AS HE DIED?

AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. . .
Acts 7:54-56
54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!"
NKJV


You think this was all PHYSICAL 'seeing?'

FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. . .means nothing to you?

You think GOD CONTRADICTS HIMSELF?

1 Tim 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
NKJVCol 1:15-16
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
NKJV

YOUR gods may contradict themselves (and each other), but the REAL GOD, THE ONLY GOD, THE GOD OF THE BIBLE does not.

YOUR CULT'S INVENTER lied, of course.