Watch How Easy This Is

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

The question posed by a critic (keeping names anonymous to avoid issues):

"If you knew for sure that God was speaking to you and God asked you to take out your wife into the backyard and sacrifice her would you do it?"

My simple, direct, and succinct answer is YES!

Why was that so easy? Because we are making the condition that the person in the question is truly very God. So for me, no matter what God says or asks, I will follow and obey.


What would your answer be?

Why do you think that God would command you to do something that goes against what he given for the NT church?

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Why do you think that God would command you to do something that goes against what he given for the NT church?

Why do you think you know better than God?

God made laws for men, not men for laws. In the OT God had no problem asking someone to sacrifice his son.

If your position is God cannot go against what He gave in the NT, then it doesn't follow considering what he gave in the NT goes against what he gave in the OT.

But if God is God, and His ways are always just and perfect, who are you to tell him he is wrong?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

Why do you think you know better than God?

Nope I don't think I am better than God and I don't even think I will become a god like you do.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Nope I don't think I am better than God and I don't even think I will become a god like you do.

Zing!....Pow!.....Wap.....bam!......Zoink!.....

Aside from the obligatory cheap shot you are compelled to make, Why did you chop my post and not answer my last question?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

God made laws for men, not men for laws. In the OT God had no problem asking someone to sacrifice his son.

Why would God give you a command that goes against what he has taught you in the NT?

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Why would God give you a command that goes against what he has taught you in the NT?

Or....you can completely ignore what has been said here already and simply repeat the same questions over and over....which is your MO.

So be it.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

But if God is God, and His ways are always just and perfect, who are you to tell him he is wrong?

I certainly wouldn't tell him he is wrong.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I certainly wouldn't tell him he is wrong.

Great.

Case closed.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

Great.

Case closed.

The problem with this question (which was my question from another thread) is that it falsely ***umes that God would ask us to do something that he has already told us not to do in the NT. So on the one hand we obey God but on the other hand we disobey his command not to kill.

Let me give you another similar question. If God told you to reject him would you do it?

[Billyray]

Do you believe that Warren Jeffs believes that God speaks to him and gives him revelations and Warren honestly believes that it is God who is speaking to him?

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Do you believe that Warren Jeffs believes that God speaks to him and gives him revelations and Warren honestly believes that it is God who is speaking to him?

Ah ah ah (finger wag), now you are doing what keeps being done. You are now CHANGING this to be "if you thought it was God" as opposed to the standard that we set that it IS God, no questions about that.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

The problem with this question (which was my question from another thread) is that it falsely ***umes that God would ask us to do something that he has already told us not to do in the NT. So on the one hand we obey God but on the other hand we disobey his command not to kill.

You still haven't address the fact that God HAS commanded someone to kill, and that God has also commanded that we NOT kill.

Address that and you might understand your dilemma here.

Let me give you another similar question. If God told you to reject him would you do it?

That's not similar.

Show me anywhere in scripture where God has commanded that we REJECT him?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

You still haven't address the fact that God HAS commanded someone to kill, and that God has also commanded that we NOT kill.

In the OT absolutely. But we are under the NT rules and Christ does not command us to kill. So you are giving a scenario that God would never give us.

For example If God told you to reject him and worship the Devil would you do it?

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

In the OT absolutely. But we are under the NT rules and Christ does not command us to kill. So you are giving a scenario that God would never give us.

So God's laws and rules change.

So if God himself asked us to sacrifice someone, how would you know which rule to follow? He has set a precedent that he can allow or not allow that.

See your dilemma here?

For example If God told you to reject him and worship the Devil would you do it?

Show me scriptural precedent where God has commanded to both ACCEPT him and REJECT the Devil and to also REJECT God and ACCEPT the Devil.

Can you?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

So God's laws and rules change.

God's rules for man have changed over time. Before Moses they were not under the Law. Under Moses they were under the Law. After the death of Christ we are not under the Law.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

God's rules for man have changed over time. Before Moses they were not under the Law. Under Moses they were under the Law. After the death of Christ we are not under the Law.

The question isn't if we are under the law.

The simply question is if God himself asked you to do something would you.

I say YES.

You say, "Well, God, you said it was okay in the OT but then changed your own law in the NT, and well, I cannot obey your commend of me now since it conflicts with the law you gave in the NT but not the law you gave in the OT".

ROFL....

It's funny you simply cannot admit your failed position here.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

You say, "Well, God, you said it was okay in the OT but then changed your own law in the NT, and well, I cannot obey your commend of me now since it conflicts with the law you gave in the NT but not the law you gave in the OT".

God has given us the rules that he wants us to follow under the NT church. We are commanded to love our neighbor. He would not then give us a commandment to kill our neighbor under the NT program.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

God has given us the rules that he wants us to follow under the NT church. We are commanded to love our neighbor. He would not then give us a commandment to kill our neighbor under the NT program.

See?

You are now thinking for God, speaking for God, and pretending to be God.

It's all you can do since you are forced to ignore your very own posts here that state God can do as He pleases, and God has shown that he can command killing and he can command not killing.

It's okay with me that you want to be a Bibliolatrist, and disobey a command from God if it conflicted with the NT. your choice.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

You are now thinking for God, speaking for God, and pretending to be God.

I am not pretending to be God, rather I am listening to God by following what he has told me to do via his word. And he has also told to me watch out for people like you who preach a different gospel that runs counter to what has been revealed in the NT.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I am not pretending to be God, rather I am listening to God by following what he has told me to do via his word. And he has also told to me watch out for people like you who preach a different gospel that runs counter to what has been revealed in the NT.

That's all you have left.

Insult and attack and now argue against something irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

That's all you have left.

Insult and attack and now argue against something irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Not an insult but rather a warning to watch out for false prophets and their minions such as yourself that preach another gospel. Why would God give us that warning if he knew that the gospel would change prior to his second coming?

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Not an insult but rather a warning to watch out for false prophets and their minions such as yourself that preach another gospel. Why would God give us that warning if he knew that the gospel would change prior to his second coming?

More insults and calling me names.

It's all you have left.

I'm sorry.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

More insults and calling me names.

It's all you have left.

I'm sorry.

I am giving you the truth according to the Bible. You would be wise to listen to what the Bible says rather than trying to come up with sneaky attempts to justify your false doctrine. This is no different that what Warren Jeffs is doing today. He is claiming that God has given him revelations and because it is from God it doesn't matter if anything conflicts with what is taught in the NT. Big mistake on his part and big mistake on your part as long as you follow your false prophet.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Sir

See your dilemma here?

Not at all. Starting with the death of Christ we are under the law of love, we are to love God and love our neighbor. If we loved our neighbor then we would not kill them.

[Sir]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Not at all. Starting with the death of Christ we are under the law of love, we are to love God and love our neighbor. If we loved our neighbor then we would not kill them.

That wasn't the question.