"Heaven"

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

You may see it as biblical, but it sure doesn't seem "godly".

But you are using your standard for what God should or should not do. Have you ever considered that the Bile is true as written without s****ing sections that you don't like?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

But you are using your standard for what God should or should not do. Have you ever considered that the Bile is true as written without s****ing sections that you don't like?

Freudian slip? Bile?

The Bible is true...the "bile" is not.

And, yes, I have considered that the Bible was true, as written, or at least tried to, for quite along time. Actually, I ***umed it was all true...until I bothered to read it all. Then, my heart and soul did a giant flip and I knew I couldn't continue in that vein.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Freudian slip? Bile?

No I make a fair number of errors that I don't bother to go back and edit and also I get autocorrect errors when I post on my iPad--which I am doing now--that I fail to catch.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Actually, I ***umed it was all true...until I bothered to read it all. Then, my heart and soul did a giant flip and I knew I couldn't continue in that vein.

What made you decide it wasn't true?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

No I make a fair number of errors that I don't bother to go back and edit and also I get autocorrect errors when I post on my iPad--which I am doing now--that I fail to catch.

I don't have an iPad, but I do have an iPhone and that auto correct can be very annoying!

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I don't have an iPad, but I do have an iPhone and that auto correct can be very annoying!

You can google autocorrect text message errors--they have some doozies.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

What made you decide it wasn't true?

I still believe a lot of it, especially the N.T. But, I got so very depressed reading the O.T. I almost gave up a few times...but, I was determined to finish it. I saw the Bible very differently, after that experience, a year ago, when my church did the Bible in 90 days. Reading huge chunks of it everyday...somehow changed my perspective and my beliefs about it. It was supposed to be a faith strengthening experience. For me, it was anything but...

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You can google autocorrect text message errors--they have some doozies.

Yes, I have seen some of those on Facebook. Some of them are pretty funny!

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I still believe a lot of it, especially the N.T. But, I got so very depressed reading the O.T. I almost gave up a few times...but, I was determined to finish it. I saw the Bible very differently, after that experience, a year ago, when my church did the Bible in 90 days. Reading huge chunks of it everyday...somehow changed my perspective and my beliefs about it. It was supposed to be a faith strengthening experience. For me, it was anything but...

Do you think that your preconceived ideas about God did not match up with the God of the Bible?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Do you think that your preconceived ideas about God did not match up with the God of the Bible?

I don't think so. It's not like I hadn't heard a lot of these stories before. I had. I just hadn't realized how...awful...some of it really was...these things that man attributed to God were just awful. No wonder Hitler had no qualms about what he did to the Jews. And, then, reading so much of it, everyday, became very depressing.

I couldn't stay in a belief system that made me feel so bad about the God I was worshiping.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I don't think so. It's not like I hadn't heard a lot of these stories before. I had. I just hadn't realized how...awful...some of it really was...these things that man attributed to God were just awful.

Isn't God allowed to do what he pleases and why do you think that you are in a position to judge what God does and label it as awful?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Isn't God allowed to do what he pleases and why do you think that you are in a position to judge what God does and label it as awful?

You're not really understanding my position.

I don't believe God is awful. THAT was the problem.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

You're not really understanding my position.

I don't believe God is awful. THAT was the problem.

I understand your position. You read it and decided that God couldn't have done that so you ***umed that the Bible was false, rather than accepting that the Bible is true and not judging God for what he has done.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I understand your position. You read it and decided that God couldn't have done that so you ***umed that the Bible was false, rather than accepting that the Bible is true and not judging God for what he has done.

You have a difficult time allowing people to speak for themselves. Why is that? You always want to manipulate my words, to make them appear as something they are not.

I have never "judged God"...that is just ridiculous on its face.

I have questioned MAN's attributions to God. I believe some of them are false attributions, because a good and perfect and loving God would simply not behave in that way. I believe my deep feelings about this come from the Holy Spirit.

[Libby]

So, no, you really do not understand. Either that or you do understand, and you are simply playing games.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

You have a difficult time allowing people to speak for themselves. Why is that? You always want to manipulate my words, to make them appear as something they are not.

I have never "judged God"...that is just ridiculous on its face.

I have questioned MAN's attributions to God. I believe some of them are false attributions, because a good and perfect and loving God would simply not behave in that way. I believe my deep feelings about this come from the Holy Spirit.

I am not speaking for you Libby you made it clear by your own words. You read God's word and you couldn't accept it because God didn't meet your standards o you simply reject it and labeled it false as written. I understand perfectly.

[Libby]

You don't understand at all, Billy, when you say things like "You read God's word and you couldn't accept it because God didn't meet your standards"...ridiculous and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

[Pa Pa]

Originally Posted by Libby

You don't understand at all, Billy, when you say things like "You read God's word and you couldn't accept it because God didn't meet your standards"...ridiculous and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

I agree...also why would we want to choose some of his words and reject others? But it is Billy...

[Libby]

Of course. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that anyone here, who sincerely believes something is God's word, would NOT reject it, just because it didn't "meet their standard". That is ludicrous on it's face. I wouldn't do that and I don't believe ANYONE would.

"Believeability" is the key to acceptance of something that is "claimed" to be God's word. That comes from the Holy Spirit, IMHO.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

You don't understand at all, Billy, when you say things like "You read God's word and you couldn't accept it because God didn't meet your standards"...ridiculous and a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

I understand perfectly Libby and it is not a mistepresentation of what you have said. You read the Bible and did not like what you read so you decided in your mind that the Bible was false in whatever section you didn't like.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Of course. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that anyone here, who sincerely believes something is God's word, would NOT reject it, just because it didn't "meet their standard". That is ludicrous on it's face. I wouldn't do that and I don't believe ANYONE would.

That is exactly what happened to you so it is not ludicrous at all.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Pa Pa

I agree...also why would we want to choose some of his words and reject others?.

You can't pick and choose what you like and disguard what you don't like.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

That is exactly what happened to you so it is not ludicrous at all.

Not at all. I have not disregarded anything that I "know" is from God.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You can't pick and choose what you like and disguard what you don't like.

You can pick and choose what is believable and discard what is not. God gave us intelligence for a reason.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Not at all. I have not disregarded anything that I "know" is from God.

You have rejected God's word and the basis for this is your logic.