Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah and Korash ...Really?

[theway]

Originally Posted by teenapenny

What do you think it says?

First off, there is no such word as "false Prophets" in the OT.
Second, Deut is speaking about Prophets of God, not what you would call "false Prophets" anyway.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by theway

First off, there is no such word as "false Prophets" in the OT.
Second, Deut is speaking about Prophets of God, not what you would call "false Prophets" anyway.

What on earth is a prophet that speaks in the name of God but lies about the message actually coming from God.. You want a lying prophet to be considered a prophet of God? God doesn't, so He told us if any man ever try to fool the people saying that God sent him with a message, and it turns out that what he told the people was actually a lie he made up. That prophet should die.. The BofA is such a lie.. Proven to be made up by Joseph Smith a prophet who lied to lead the people away from the God of the Bible and replace Him with one Smith made up. A God who was not always God. A God who is not alone the ONLY God that exists. He taught polytheism right in the page4s of the BofA it's self.. In short he taught in the name of other Gods.. I have said it before. Though I condemn the actions of the mobs at Carthage jail, Smith deserved to die according to God's word.. He was in condemnation of Deut 18:20.. That is fact based on what is easily read in the BofA:

And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light
And they (the Gods) comprehended the light
And the Gods called the light Day
And the Gods also said
And the Gods ordered

And on and on what Smith said the gods did.. But the Bible is clear That the Lord our God is one Lord.. Smith clearly taught in the names of other gods..
I don't see how you can not see the condenation against Smith in Deut 18... IHS jim

[theway]

Originally Posted by James Banta

What on earth is a prophet that speaks in the name of God but lies about the message actually coming from God.. You want a lying prophet to be considered a prophet of God? God doesn't, so He told us if any man ever try to fool the people saying that God sent him with a message, and it turns out that what he told the people was actually a lie he made up. That prophet should die..

James you really need to read the scriptures first before you comment on them. The verses you cut and paste from antiMormon sites do not qualify as having read the scriptures. Had you of actually read the verses that precede the ones you posted you would see that God was speaking about a Prophet chosen by God.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to p***, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Like I said, this is speaking of a Prophet chosen by God, there was no such thing as a false prophet. if they tell lies then they can may be a lier or fallen Prophet. The punishment of death was given to those that lead the population to follow other Gods; not for lying.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by theway

James you really need to read the scriptures first before you comment on them. The verses you cut and paste from antiMormon sites do not qualify as having read the scriptures. Had you of actually read the verses that precede the ones you posted you would see that God was speaking about a Prophet chosen by God.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to p***, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, oI will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Like I said, this is speaking of a Prophet chosen by God, there was no such thing as a false prophet. if they tell lies then they can may be a lier or fallen Prophet. The punishment of death was given to those that lead the population to follow other Gods; not for lying.

STOP trying to force this p***age to say things it doesn't say.. Yes the whole chapter is about prophets. Men that God would bring to the people to give them His word.. The p***age I quoted is the way to identify the true prophets God sends us from the liars that seek the honors of men by being God's spokesman.. Smith failed that test again and again.. You must read the whole chapter yourself and then take to heart the test God gave us so we can identify a lying man from a prophet of God.. Without being able to identify who is a real prophet from who is the liar we could be lead to follow men like Jim Jones or David Koresh.. This simple text in Deut 18:20-22 is a great gift from God.. Why do you refuse to use it? IHS jim

[theway]

Originally Posted by James Banta

STOP trying to force this p***age to say things it doesn't say.. Yes the whole chapter is about prophets. Men that God would bring to the people to give them His word.. The p***age I quoted is the way to identify the true prophets God sends us from the liars that seek the honors of men by being God's spokesman.. Smith failed that test again and again.. You must read the whole chapter yourself and then take to heart the test God gave us so we can identify a lying man from a prophet of God..

Once again, it is you who have forced your own view into the p***age. Notice you said "a lying man" the scripture never say "lying MAN" no matter what the "Prophet" has done, even if he did something worthy of death, he is still known as a Prophet.

Originally Posted by James Banta

Without being able to identify who is a real prophet from who is the liar we could be lead to follow men like Jim Jones or David Koresh.. This simple text in Deut 18:20-22 is a great gift from God.. Why do you refuse to use it? IHS jim

You mean why don't I go out and kill all the people who try to get me to follow strange Gods, is that what you want me to do? You seem to believe in this test, this gift of God as you called it, yet you have trampled it underfoot by not obeying what God has told you to do. I certainly don't want you to go out killing people, but ask yourself, if you believed this p***age still applied today, why do you treat it as nothing?
Maybe it's because you understand that it no longer applies since Christ has come, it is the Holy Ghost which gives us the truth of all things.

[James Banta]

[theway;93787]Once again, it is you who have forced your own view into the p***age. Notice you said "a lying man" the scripture never say "lying MAN" no matter what the "Prophet" has done, even if he did something worthy of death, he is still known as a Prophet.

I did use a paraphrase but what else to you call a man that says God spoke to Him or gave him a message when the truth is that God did no such thing? That man is of course a liar and his words have no truth in them. He is a lying man a false teacher, a FALSE PROPHET..

You mean why don't I go out and kill all the people who try to get me to follow strange Gods, is that what you want me to do? You seem to believe in this test, this gift of God as you called it, yet you have trampled it underfoot by not obeying what God has told you to do. I certainly don't want you to go out killing people, but ask yourself, if you believed this p***age still applied today, why do you treat it as nothing?
Maybe it's because you understand that it no longer applies since Christ has come, it is the Holy Ghost which gives us the truth of all things.

I don't do so because this is not a theocracy. We have civil laws that Jesus (by example) taught us to live by.. I thought you would know that.. Does that change the facts that this is a viable test for the teachings and prophecies of a man that tells us that God is speaking to us through him? If not why were you with Jim Jones? Why were you following David Koresh. Both men said they were God's appointed leaders, His prophets. Yet you judged them as unworthy of that calling, why? Could it be because you could see that there was no truth in them? You used this test on them whether or not you understood it. Why is it you refuse to do the same with Joseph Smith.. I don't need to tell you that he was a false prophet and God never spoke to him. You can see that yourself if you examine his message.. He spoke in the name of other Gods.. Not the One God the Bible teaches but he spoke in the name of Gods.. He taught a God that wasn't always a God when the Bible make it clear that He is always God.. To say that Smith taught in the name of other is incontestable. To show that he gave false prophecy is also clear since the BofA is part of his prophetic message and it has been shown to be a pagan text that had nothing to do with Abraham.. Smith fails this test both ways, false teaching and false gods.. Yet you still revere him as a prophet of God instead of seeing him as the liar he was.. IHS jim

[neverending]

Originally Posted by theway

James you really need to read the scriptures first before you comment on them. The verses you cut and paste from antiMormon sites do not qualify as having read the scriptures. Had you of actually read the verses that precede the ones you posted you would see that God was speaking about a Prophet chosen by God.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to p***, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Like I said, this is speaking of a Prophet chosen by God, there was no such thing as a false prophet. if they tell lies then they can may be a lier or fallen Prophet. The punishment of death was given to those that lead the population to follow other Gods; not for lying.

Excuse me, so now the Mormons and you personally think that quoting a verse straight from the Holy Bible is from, "antiMormon sites?" No wonder you and all the members of your church have problems. And if a man, who was chosen by God to speak for him but chooses to speak things NOT from God, does that not make him a "false prophet" AND a liar? IF said prophet ends up leading people to follow after other gods, (small "g") than of course no one could claim that man to be a TRUE prophet of God.