Sir, who gets into heaven based on his own righteousness?
Why the strawman?
We aren't discussing whether or not we need Jesus to be saved, this we all know is true.
We are discussing what sins newborn infants commit.
I already answered your question.
I don't know the answer to your question. But the Bible does say ALL men and ALL means ALL.
Romans 5
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
I agree with Jim on this point. Infants and small children sin by nature. They steal, they lie, they are selfish, they hit each other. You name it.
Eph. 2:3 says we are all "by nature children of wrath."
If man is not born in sin, then wouldn't some people be sinless throughout their lives?
If we are born innocent and good, why aren't there at least some people who have continued in this state and remained sinless? The fact is everybody sins because we are sinners by nature.
the tendency of people to sin is great....but for a few of us ...like they who never age...or they who have mental issues, I have no trouble believing that "they never sinned"
Also, as a person draws closer and closer to the Lord they drift away farther and farther from sinning....So I have no trouble believing that with growth in the Lord, sin becomes simply unknown in your personal life...
Another dodge.
We aren't talking about kids. We are talking about newborn infants. Please stay on track here.
Do you agree with James that newborn infants are sinning simply by (as James says, being selfish) relying on the mother for their immediate sustenance?
Sir, do you think that you are getting anywhere with this thread?
Absolutely. I am learning from you guys. Isn't that the point? I have learned that there are those who believe that since the Bible claims we are all sinners that babies born into this world are actually in the process of sinning. I've learned that some Christians even claim that a newborn infant that relys on its mother for sustenance is committing an act of sin.
That one made me wonder. Wouldn't Jesus Christ have relied on Mary as a newborn infant for his sustenance? According to this Christian, I am supposed to believe that Jesus must have been a sinner by committing the act of 'selfishness' as a newborn.
This thread is to enlighten and understand positions better. What's wrong with that? If you are done contributing to it that is okay.
When the Bible says that we ALL sin do you think that this excludes infants?