Originally Posted by
nrajeff
---Because the word "for" in that verse was not intended to mean "because there has been." That's why.
Interpret what "for" means in THIS sentence:
"I paid $5 FOR this lousy Ed Decker book." The sentence is saying:
a) "I paid $5 because I got this lousy Ed Decker book."
b) " I paid $5 IN ORDER TO GET this lousy Ed Decker book."
Which is the most normal, logical, reasonable, common sense interpretation, Jim? And which would amount to eisegesis, twisting the words so they mean what you want them to mean?
Johnny got a new bike FOR his birthday.. Didn't Johnny get he bike because of his birthday not in order to get a birthday.. Sounds like you are trying to prove that the water of baptism is capable of what the Bible says only the blood of Jesus has power to do; cleanses us of sin.. Really this should be a no brainier for even mormons.. It is the blood that cleanses man of Sin not water! If water could do it Jesus died in vain. Lets look at the Bible and see what it teaches on the subject..
Exod 30:10
And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.
Lev 5:9
And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lam 4:13
For the sins of her prophets, and the iniquities of her priests, that have shed the blood of the just in the midst of her
Matt 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Rom 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace
Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
1John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood
Even though the Bible is this adamant about the blood of Jesus being the cleansing agent you still want to believe that we are baptized to have our sins washed away in water. That it is baptism that bring forgiveness. UNBELIEVABLE!!! IHS jim