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Daheshist
08-10-2011, 03:08 PM
Dear Christians,

1) What sins can a Christian commit after being saved, and still be saved?

a) murder
b) ****sexual acts
c) illegal drug use
d) incest
e) lying
d) bestiality
e) none of the above

2) Was the President of the National ***ociation of Evangelicals, who used illegal drugs and had sex with a man, still a Christian, and still "saved", after he committed these acts?

alanmolstad
08-10-2011, 04:58 PM
Never -ever think that Christians cant sin.....for we do.

Never-ever think that Christians are "better" than the Lost.....for we live very screwed up lives too ...

what makes us better than lost people is what we are given...and has nothing to do with they way we ourselves are...

What we are given is the forgiveness of God.
The good Lord forgives us our sins.

Russ
08-10-2011, 05:04 PM
Dear Christians,

1) What sins can a Christian commit after being saved, and still be saved?

a) murder
b) ****sexual acts
c) illegal drug use
d) incest
e) lying
d) bestiality
e) none of the above

2) Was the President of the National ***ociation of Evangelicals, who used illegal drugs and had sex with a man, still a Christian, and still "saved", after he committed these acts?

The same ones that Mormons do?

Daheshist
08-10-2011, 11:15 PM
Alanmolstad,

You didn't answer my question.

The other guy did, saying "all sins Mormons do". So, Christians can murder, commit rape, ****sexuality, incest, and still be "saved"?




Never -ever think that Christians cant sin.....for we do.

Never-ever think that Christians are "better" than the Lost.....for we live very screwed up lives too ...

what makes us better than lost people is what we are given...and has nothing to do with they way we ourselves are...

What we are given is the forgiveness of God.
The good Lord forgives us our sins.

tdidymas
08-11-2011, 01:27 AM
Let's set the record straight. The Bible says, "he who continues sinning is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning... no one who is born of God continues sinning because God's seed remains in him; he cannot continue sinning because he is born of God." The whole idea of appealing to God for reconciliation ***umes a continual at***ude of repentance from wrongdoing. This is not to say a person will never stumble, since "we all stumble in many ways." However, in regard to the list of sins above and the sins on Paul's list of "those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God," if a person sins intentionally and purposefully, that person should do some serious soul-searching. In regard to "sins not unto death," i.e. mistakes, faux pas, rudeness, and other common practices which can and should be corrected but has little bearing on eternity, we have the command "forgive your brother from your heart." Let's face it, failing to love God 100% with heart, mind, soul, and strength, comes with it an eternal condemnation, unless one is under the grace of God through Christ. A true Christian has the Holy Spirit to charge a person to a clear conscience. If a person is not concerned with a clear conscience, or with measuring up to the standard of the gospel of Christ, that person has reason to doubt that they have entered into a salvation relationship with God. All the more reason to seek the truth yet to be found that will set a soul free from the bondage of sin, and that truth is only found in the true gospel of Christ as explained by the Holy Bible canon, and not by any other writing.

neverending
08-11-2011, 07:41 AM
Dear Christians,

1) What sins can a Christian commit after being saved, and still be saved?

a) murder
b) ****sexual acts
c) illegal drug use
d) incest
e) lying
d) bestiality
e) none of the above

2) Was the President of the National ***ociation of Evangelicals, who used illegal drugs and had sex with a man, still a Christian, and still "saved", after he committed these acts?


As usual, an unsaved person asking the same old question. We are ALL sinners.....born sinners! That was why Jesus came to earth, to seek and to save, that which was lost. I will say that if a Born Again Christian is living for Christ as they should, then committing sin would seldom happen. Again, we are not perfect just because we have accepted Christ in our lives. What we try to do is live the best lives we can, to be that light that sits on a hill but being human, we do fail at times. It is in those times that we then go to God or should and ask for his forgiveness and know that he does forgives us. It's called, repentence and yes, we Christians DO believe in repentence.

alanmolstad
08-11-2011, 07:17 PM
Alanmolstad,

You didn't answer my question.

The other guy did, saying "all sins Mormons do". So, Christians can murder, commit rape, ****sexuality, incest, and still be "saved"?

we are not saved because we live moral lives....

BrianH
08-11-2011, 08:34 PM
Once again, you are posting in the wrong place.

Once again, you post here on things that have exactly nothing to do with the topic of this forum - Mormonism?

Your behavior is quite rude. I suggest you respect the order of this forum if you expect to earn any consideration at all for your views. If all you are going to do is barge in and insist that everybody else pay attention to YOU instead of the relevant topics here, I don't think your longevity will be uh ...worth much.

Get ready to say bye bye.

-BH

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alanmolstad
08-12-2011, 05:02 AM
This is my answer (If you dont like it?...too bad)

My answer is that at times any Christian can slip up, and find themselves swept away by the power of the flesh to tempt us to do evil.

The difference between Christians and the Lost is not that we are 'better"

The difference is that we are forgiven and they are not.

Thats the point.
The sins of man are common to all men.
I dont face less temptations just because Im a Christian.
The difference is that I have a relationship with my Lord, and it is the nature of this relationship that is "better" than what the Mormons or JWs have.

I have the Spirit in me, and while at times the Spirit might have to deal with the errors of a Christian's flesh, the truth is that because we do have the Spirit in us we are never left to just stay in the muck of our sins.
the Spirit lifts us out...it drives us back to the cross, it holds us fast to the faith.

We are clean.
We are made clean...
and it keeps on cleaning us each day.

So this means that regardless of the sin that the christian has dipped down into doing , (insert your own list of sins here) you need not fear that you have sinned too much to be forgiven.
You need never think that god has run out of forgiveness or that your sins are too many in number or too bad to yet come to the Lord, confess/repent and be made clean .

alanmolstad
08-12-2011, 05:05 AM
Once again, you are posting in the wrong place.


.
Just report the opening post if this is important to you, and have the owner bounce it to the correct section or clear it away.

alanmolstad
08-13-2011, 07:18 AM
Daheshist is banned......

and we all saw that coming a mile away.....

alanmolstad
08-04-2012, 03:44 PM
once you are saved, you are kept said by the Lord's Grace....

Im a Christian not because I was able to live a sinless life today, but rather Im still saved because my salvation is kept safe by the Lord.

My ability to sin is great, but the Lord's ability to forgive my sins is always greater.

johnd
01-12-2013, 07:55 PM
1 John 2:1-6 (KJV)
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

johnd
01-12-2013, 08:07 PM
God gave us the Law of Moses to demonstrate the futility of human efforts to be saved. Call it religion, keeping the Law, not sinning.

God is not trying to preserve this world nor make it a better place. He is trying to rescue hell bound sinners like we all were using Christian servants which are sinners saved by grace.

The goal of the Christian is to be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. Doesn't mean we are going to achieve this goal, but in the striving for it we will avoid untold sins and pitfalls. We have in the Proverbs:

Proverbs 24:16 (KJV)
16 For a just man falleth seven times {read that continuously}, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.


The way we rise up again is by confessing our sins to the Lord. Otherwise:

Proverbs 28:13 (KJV)
13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Psalm 51 (KJV)
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the mul***ude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.


1 John 1 (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.



1 John 2:1-6 (KJV)
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Romans 7:14-25 (KJV)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


The perfecting of the man (er, us) is in the resurrection / changing in the twinkling of the eye at the last trump. Until that time, God has made provision for his children (us) to do his will and his rescue mission on earth. Otherwise it would make no sense to leave us here and not rapture us out individually upon our conversion to Jesus Christ.

johnd
01-12-2013, 08:09 PM
Daheshist is banned......

and we all saw that coming a mile away.....

Ah I see....

Still... it's a good question and giving opinions and ducking the issue as Christians typically do serves no one.

alanmolstad
01-12-2013, 08:54 PM
Ah I see....

Still... it's a good question and giving opinions and ducking the issue as Christians typically do serves no one.

if there is an issue you would like a Christian to address?.....there are still one or two of us left here....

MichaellS
06-01-2013, 10:24 AM
if there is an issue you would like a Christian to address?.....there are still one or two of us left here....

Iíll take the hit for his absence, ,sorry.

johnd
07-28-2013, 09:20 PM
Romans 5 (KJV)
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death p***ed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

johnd
07-28-2013, 09:21 PM
Romans 6 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

johnd
07-28-2013, 09:22 PM
1 John 2:1 (KJV)
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

johnd
07-28-2013, 09:23 PM
1 John 1 (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


1 John 2:2-6 (KJV)
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

johnd
07-28-2013, 09:24 PM
Romans 7 (KJV)
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

alanmolstad
01-30-2014, 11:42 AM
I think this is one of the better things I have come up with around here yet...
This is my answer (If you dont like it?...too bad)

My answer is that at times any Christian can slip up, and find themselves swept away by the power of the flesh to tempt us to do evil.

The difference between Christians and the Lost is not that we are 'better"

The difference is that we are forgiven and they are not.

Thats the point.
The sins of man are common to all men.
I dont face less temptations just because Im a Christian.
The difference is that I have a relationship with my Lord, and it is the nature of this relationship that is "better" than what the Mormons or JWs have.

I have the Spirit in me, and while at times the Spirit might have to deal with the errors of a Christian's flesh, the truth is that because we do have the Spirit in us we are never left to just stay in the muck of our sins.
the Spirit lifts us out...it drives us back to the cross, it holds us fast to the faith.

We are clean.
We are made clean...
and it keeps on cleaning us each day.

So this means that regardless of the sin that the christian has dipped down into doing , (insert your own list of sins here) you need not fear that you have sinned too much to be forgiven.
You need never think that god has run out of forgiveness or that your sins are too many in number or too bad to yet come to the Lord, confess/repent and be made clean .