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    Tom Boots

    Default A discussion on Walter Martin on John Ankerberg show 1985

    In 1985 Walter Martin and E. Calvin Beisner were picked by John Ankerberg to be on his show to ambush two Oneness Ministers Nathaniel Urshan who was General Supt. of the Upci and Robert Sabin of St. Paul, MN.
    The Oneness Ministers did not know a "Debate"was to take place, but rather a discussion of what Oneness held, they soon found out otherwise.
    The Oneness MInisters according to Sabin were treated well upon their arrival, neither had seen the program and or knew about the format of John's show and how he was going to ambush them.
    They were treated kindly and thinking John was going to give them a opportunity to discuss what we held, it became a unfair treatment of the Oneness.

    First on how formate was, it was not a debate, no fair allotment of time and equal treatment regarding ask questions.
    Trinitarians were given twice the amount of time in responding and constantly interrupted the Oneness ministers.
    All questions were directed at Oneness to answer in a defensive way and nothing directed to Trinitarians on any weak text and problems for them.
    Ankerberg himself supposedly aModerator actually became a combatant and joined right in.
    John also got rather huffy about it being his program and costing him money, a sign of someone with a chip on his shoulder and not treating people as the guests they were intended to be.
    John also had a selection of books to run to, while the aloneness had no idea a debate ( even informal one)was to take place, so they had a bible each and Sabin had a pad and some notes.
    Walter and Calvin got caught In a BIG LIE, when Walter stated that he and Calvin did not believe in a eternal son, yet Beisner did and even wrote so in his book on The Trinity.
    Beisner appealed to a spurious work, the Epistle of Barnabas when he could not find his doctrine in Scripture.
    Martin made up a false definition regarding urparkon and said it meant eternally existing, thought does not.
    The Trinitarains constantly interrupted and this is seen on tape and especially in printed transcript with Oneness speaking and then having .... After a couple of words.
    I have seen this on radio programs many times when Oneness call in or they are on the program being interviewed or ask questions.
    Robert Sabin stated thatched counted the Trinitarians had 66% of allotted time to speak and lines of transcript to show a bias, giving appearance that they one.
    Walter when ask to debate Sabin fairly never did do so in four years after the show n a fair face to face meeting moderated and timed.
    Bob Bowman did do. So twice once in St. Paul and then in San Diego, in the first one, he did fair and then in the second struggled and even got hammered and turned to Sabin and told him "nice preaching".

    In conclusion, I would be interested in talking about a point from the debate that you feel we were weak or needs more clarifying, as well as me asking you some questions.
    Last edited by Tom Boots; 06-17-2013 at 04:18 PM.

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