Grace Controversy!

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

How is it that "it all came down to a decision" and yet "there was nothing left for you to decide. What you have stated is a total impossibility.

To what were you predestined? When were you predestined? Supply book chapter and verse to support your claim.

Within God's preordained plan for men there was taken into account man's ability to respond

[Saxon]

That has nothing to do with my statement or question.

[Saxon]

That has nothing to do with my statement or question either.

[Saxon]

And I responded to that already.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

That has nothing to do with my statement or question either.

It is my answer

[Saxon]

Your answer has nothing to do with what I asked.

[alanmolstad]

Well it's too bad you think that but this is my answer none the less.

I believe my answer is in full agreement with Walter Martin

[Saxon]

Maybe it was someone else's question you were answering???

[alanmolstad]

You might try another question....something new

[Saxon]

You didn't answer this one so I won't stress you out over any more that you won't answer.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

You didn't answer this one so I won't stress you out over any more that you won't answer.

If a person is asking about how men can be held responsible yet all things are predestined? ....
Then this is the answer...


That within the preordained plan of God there is perfect union between God's full control of the universe and man's ability to respond.

[Saxon]

This was the question: How is it that "it all came down to a decision" and yet "there was nothing left for you to decide. What you have stated is a total impossibility.

To what were you predestined? When were you predestined? Supply book chapter and verse to support your claim.

You have said nothing to address anything that I have specifically inquired about.

[alanmolstad]

the video lists the common text on this subject...starting with Ephesians 1

4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

To what were you predestined?

to enter into the very presence of God at the end of time.


"to be holy and blameless in His presence"

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

When were you predestined? .

Before the creation happened...before time.

"before the foundation of the world "

[alanmolstad]

so that above supports what I said about looking at this question from the Lord's point of view.

Now we will look at this from man's point of view

"When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"

Here we see at Ephesians 1:13 the text supports what I have taught on man's ability to respond to God.
This shows that we are held responsible to answering the calling that we receive.



This all supports what I said before..

[Saxon]

Great. Now to what were you predestined to? Book chapter and verse for biblical support.

[Saxon]

You are going off track. What were you predestined to? Book chapter and verse for biblical support.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

Great. Now to what were you predestined to? Book chapter and verse for biblical support.

" He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence." - Ephesians 1:4



This is talking about a Christian being now able to walk right into the holy or holies in heaven....to be able to be there, face to face with God....the very presence of God Almighty!.......Amen!!!!

[alanmolstad]

and all this was set in stone before creation...

[Saxon]

To what were you predestined to? Book chapter and verse for biblical support.

[alanmolstad]

so in other words, its talking about a plan God had for me...this plan was set in stone and could not be changed from before creation happend...

the plan took into account my own ability to answer and respond to God.

So there is a union between God's sovereignty and man's ability to respond

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Saxon

To what were you predestined to? Book chapter and verse for biblical support.

Ephesians 1:4

[alanmolstad]

any questions?

[Saxon]

What were you predestined to? That is the question.