God as Spirit or flesh and bone

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Russianwolfe

Please tell us what the Bible says spirit is....

As far as I know the Bible does not try to compare the Spirit to anything made.
The Spirit is not like anything we see around us in creation.

But we do have a few terms that the Bible does ***ociate wih the term "Spirit"

The Bible tells us that "God is spirit", but then it also says that when we worship God we must do so in "spirit and in Truth"

So from this we see that there is a strong connection between the Bible's use of the term "spirit" and the word "truth"

To this I would add that not only does the Bible tell us that "God is spirit" but it also tells us that "God is Love", and then goes on to describe what love is > "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud."

So that is how we see the Bible describing God.

[Russianwolfe]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

As far as I know the Bible does not try to compare the Spirit to anything made.

Logical fallacy: Argument from Silence. Point is null and void.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

The Spirit is not like anything we see around us in creation.

Another logical fallacy: You are arguing from a false premise, which would be the first statement. You continue to argue falsely.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

But we do have a few terms that the Bible does ***ociate with the term "Spirit"

The Bible tells us that "God is spirit", but then it also says that when we worship God we must do so in "spirit and in Truth"

Using the word in the definition is not a valid definition. You cannot define salt as tasting salty.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

So from this we see that there is a strong connection between the Bible's use of the term "spirit" and the word "truth"

Irrelevant. That does not give us a definition of spirit.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

To this I would add that not only does the Bible tell us that "God is spirit" but it also tells us that "God is Love", and then goes on to describe what love is > "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud."

So that is how we see the Bible describing God.

But nothing of what you have said helps us to understand what spirit is. You have deflected and attempted to becloud the issue but have not shown us any Biblical definition of what spirit is. We are as ******** now and we were before I asked the question.

Marvin

[alanmolstad]

Everything I always say can be supported by the Bible...thus Im limited to the text alone for my answers...

If you find me saying something that is not found in the Bible let me know....

[Russianwolfe]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Everything I always say can be supported by the Bible...thus Im limited to the text alone for my answers...

If you find me saying something that is not found in the Bible let me know....

Does this mean that you will never know what spirit is from the Bible?

Marvin

PS Seems that if God is spirit as you claim, and the Bible doesn't tell you what spirit is, then does that mean that you don't really know what God is?

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Russianwolfe

Does this mean that you will never know what spirit is from the Bible?

It means that I can invent all kinds of things on my own.
I can pull tons of ideas out of a hat and claim that each is "truth"

But only the ideas of mine that are in agreement with the Bible are actually true....

Therefore if Im asked a question or challenged on a teaching, my answer has to be centered around the simple text of the Bible.


This is the example we see when Jesus was challenged in the wilderness and always answered with scripture.



So what the Bible tells us is the truth...even if it is not worded in a way that we would have liked.
For example, we dont really know anything about how Jesus looked.
He is my Lord and my God, yet the bible does not tell us anything about his looks.....

So while I worship the Lord truly, I cant be asked to discribe him from the text alone, because I only have the text to use in my answer, and the text in many, many places does not seem all that interested in the silly questions men have asked over the last 2000 years

God is Spirit, and when i die my body is put into the ground and my spirit goes to the Lord who gave it.....
But dont ask me the question "What does your spirit look like?" because i cant answer that from the Text....

[alanmolstad]

so to review...

god is spirit, always was, always will be.
But for our salvation, the Son was wrapped in flesh and born as a man.

Understand the Son was, is now, and will always be God.

and Understand that the son was, is now and will always be spirit.

But for our salvation he was made man and wrapped in the flesh of mortal man so he could die.

Jesus was borm of mary is a human body of flesh and blood.
He died, and was truly as dead as all human get who die.
And Jesus was raised to life in an everlasting body of flesh and bone.

This is the first example of what will one day happen to all who believe.
We will die in these tents of flesh and blood, and be raised to new life in everlasting bodies of flesh and bone....

[Russianwolfe]

And so you have answered many questions that I nevered asked. Can we please stick to the questions that I have asked?

Marvin

PS. The question is, what is the Biblical defintion of what spirit is!

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

It means that I can invent all kinds of things on my own.
I can pull tons of ideas out of a hat and claim that each is "truth"

But only the ideas of mine that are in agreement with the Bible are actually true....

Therefore if Im asked a question or challenged on a teaching, my answer has to be centered around the simple text of the Bible.


This is the example we see when Jesus was challenged in the wilderness and always answered with scripture.



So what the Bible tells us is the truth...even if it is not worded in a way that we would have liked.
For example, we dont really know anything about how Jesus looked.
He is my Lord and my God, yet the bible does not tell us anything about his looks.....

So while I worship the Lord truly, I cant be asked to discribe him from the text alone, because I only have the text to use in my answer, and the text in many, many places does not seem all that interested in the silly questions men have asked over the last 2000 years

God is Spirit, and when i die my body is put into the ground and my spirit goes to the Lord who gave it.....
But dont ask me the question "What does your spirit look like?" because i cant answer that from the Text....

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Russianwolfe

PS. The question is, what is the Biblical definition of what spirit is!

"wind, or breath" would be the simple translation of the bible's term.

from there you have to study the wider context of how the term appears in a sentence, and how it is to be understood in that given context....(as with any word you are studying)


For example, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity....equal in nature to person of the Father or the Son....

Back in my time in Bible school, I learned that one of the ways to understand the Holy Spirit is to think if "God's breathing....God's outgoing Word...

Now in some Christians schools they hold that man is made up of 3 parts..."Body, Soul, and Spirit"
I have looked at this idea and come to the point where I just believe that men are basicly 2 things....we are flesh and we are Soul/Spirits...

The flesh is part of the earth, and this we share with all other things from the earth like rocks and birds and fish and trees.

The Spirit/or Soul of man is that part of us that is given by God and has nothing to do with how things are evolved and arrived at in creation.

Now, we have to always also keep in mind that men have learned a lot more about how the human body works than we did 1000s of years ago.
We no longer believe that just because you might sneeze that you may have lost your Spirit "God Bless You!"

So while early man looked at the big difference between a dead person and a living person, "(breathing") and came up with the idea that in some way 'air' was the 'life" , and this led to all kinds of religious teachings.....We need to just make sure we understand that such terms in the Bible like "wind" and "breath" are mostly symbolic in many contexts....this is how I look at the statement by the mom of Jesus when she talked about both her 'soul" and her 'spirit"

[Russianwolfe]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

"wind, or breath" would be the simple translation of the bible's term.

Those would be similes not definitions.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

from there you have to study the wider context of how the term appears in a sentence, and how it is to be understood in that given context....(as with any word you are studying)

Again, I am looking for you to provide a Biblical defintion, not guess work based on how a word is used. All that will tell is how the word is used, it will not tell you what spirit is.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

For example, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity....equal in nature to person of the Father or the Son....

Back in my time in Bible school, I learned that one of the ways to understand the Holy Spirit is to think if "God's breathing....God's outgoing Word...

Again, similes not definitions.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

Now in some Christians schools they hold that man is made up of 3 parts..."Body, Soul, and Spirit"
I have looked at this idea and come to the point where I just believe that men are basicly 2 things....we are flesh and we are Soul/Spirits...

Again, Biblical definitions not guesses or speculations.

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

The flesh is part of the earth, and this we share with all other things from the earth like rocks and birds and fish and trees.

The Spirit/or Soul of man is that part of us that is given by God and has nothing to do with how things are evolved and arrived at in creation.

Now, we have to always also keep in mind that men have learned a lot more about how the human body works than we did 1000s of years ago.
We no longer believe that just because you might sneeze that you may have lost your Spirit "God Bless You!"

So while early man looked at the big difference between a dead person and a living person, "(breathing") and came up with the idea that in some way 'air' was the 'life" , and this led to all kinds of religious teachings.....We need to just make sure we understand that such terms in the Bible like "wind" and "breath" are mostly symbolic in many contexts....this is how I look at the statement by the mom of Jesus when she talked about both her 'soul" and her 'spirit"

Sorry, but you haven't given us a Biblical defintion of any kind. All I see are similes based on guesswork. Is that considered Biblical?

How about giving us the Biblical definition?

Marvin

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Russianwolfe

Those would be similes not definitions.



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as far as I remember , this is the definition of the term "Spirit" i.e., "pneuma"

I remember that from Bible school!...LOL

It is the base word for our word pneumatic.

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Russianwolfe

How about giving us the Biblical definition?

That is, the word is the same basic word for what we translate as "breath" or for "wind"...and perhaps "air"...

This is why Jesus at John 3:8 compares the spirit to the wind.

"The wind ****s wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

The connection between the 'wind" and the 'spirit" that Jesus taught is clearly indicated in the Text.

Thus this is not only the Bible's definition, it is our Lord's as well.....

The spirit of the Lord (Holy Spirit) is God's breath, his words spoken, the divine wind (kamikaze)