'Twas the Night Before Smithmas!

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Apologette

The Mormons will never, ever say a word against their idol and god, Joe Smith.

We have no idol and our God is not "Joe Smith". Stop lying, Apologette.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by Erundur

We have no idol and our God is not "Joe Smith". Stop lying, Apologette.

"God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead...and if you don't like it, you must lump it!" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (http://forums.carm.org/vbb/mormon-books.html#sermons), p.363).

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Apologette

"God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead...and if you don't like it, you must lump it!" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (http://forums.carm.org/vbb/mormon-books.html#sermons), p.363).

Someone familiar with the Bible would recognize this as a reference to Exodus 7:1, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that you would try to twist this quote to rationalize your dishonesty. It is an unquestionable, objective fact that Joseph Smith is not our God, and every time you say it you are lying.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by Erundur

Someone familiar with the Bible would recognize this as a reference to Exodus 7:1, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that you would try to twist this quote to rationalize your dishonesty. It is an unquestionable, objective fact that Joseph Smith is not our God, and every time you say it you are lying.

God called Aaron to speak for Moses; Joseph Smith called HIMSELF, and shook his fist in God's face, by claiming to be god to the Mormons!

[Apologette]

Mormons regarded Joe Smith and Brigham Young as gods on earth:

“[Heber C. Kimball] declared to the people that Brigham Young was his God, and their God, and the only God they would ever see if they did not obey him: ‘Joseph Smith was God to the inhabitants of the earth when he was amongst us, and Brigham is God now.’ This strain was caught up and reiterated by many of the elders, from Orson Hyde, the president of the twelve apostles, down to the most ignorant teacher, and to question it openly was to be put under the ban.”

- T.B.H. Stenhouse, The Rocky Mountain Saints, 1873, 1904 edition, p. 294;

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Joseph Smith called HIMSELF, and shook his fist in God's face, by claiming to be god to the Mormons!

No he didn't; you just made that up.

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by Erundur

No he didn't; you just made that up.

Wait a minute. You're questioning Apologetter, over makeing something up and you never question Joseph Smith jr. and his imaginary mind?

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Wait a minute. You're questioning Apologetter, over makeing something up and you never question Joseph Smith jr. and his imaginary mind?

Joseph Smith is not posting here; Apologette is.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Wait a minute. You're questioning Apologetter, over makeing something up and you never question Joseph Smith jr. and his imaginary mind?

Just imagine if they questioned the adultery angel that Smith says threatened to kill him if he didn't take a bunch of women to bed!

[John T]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Just imagine if they questioned the adultery angel that Smith says threatened to kill him if he didn't take a bunch of women to bed!

Apologette has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Wazzup?

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by John T

Apologette has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Wazzup?

Okay, I'm so popular. I'll fix it.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by Erundur

No he didn't; you just made that up.

blah, blah, blah. Smith said he was your god. And he was right.

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Apologette

blah, blah, blah. Smith said he was your god. And he was right.

lie, lie, lie. Just keep lying, and I'll keep calling you on it.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Apologette

blah, blah, blah. Smith said he was your god. And he was right.

We both know that he really did say that he would be a god to the LDS.. And this Erundur can't stand to hear the truth. He hate it so much he calls it lie without even asking for or looking up references.. Is short I don't find his continued name calling or laziness worth engaging him over.. I figure if we all ignore him he will just go away.. IHS jim

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by James Banta

We both know that he really did say that he would be a god to the LDS.. And this Erundur can't stand to hear the truth. He hate it so much he calls it lie without even asking for or looking up references.. Is short I don't find his continued name calling or laziness worth engaging him over.. I figure if we all ignore him he will just go away.. IHS jim

Most Mormons are beyond the ability to actually research anything - they just have visceral responses!

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Most Mormons are beyond the ability to actually research anything - they just have visceral responses!

You mean like in this thread, where I researched it and you didn't?

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by Apologette

Most Mormons are beyond the ability to actually research anything - they just have visceral responses!

Yes and he can complain and call us liars all day.. All the teachings he has received in Sunday School won't tell him what one ten minute visit to UTLM.org could show. His level of study shows through every time he makes an unsupported denial of what history really shows..

So until he starts to provide actual evidence that what we are saying is false. Until he stops throwing around the liar term, unless he can show that we have really lied, it is my subjection that we ignore him 100%.. Such proof could be easily found. I have and am willing again to give him the proper references. Not found in what he would call an ANTI mormon site but in copies of LDS owned and controlled historical documents.

Do you really think he would be honest enough to look them up for Himself, I doubt it.. IHS jim

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Yes and he can complain and call us liars all day.. All the teachings he has received in Sunday School won't tell him what one ten minute visit to UTLM.org could show. His level of study shows through every time he makes an unsupported denial of what history really shows..

So until he starts to provide actual evidence that what we are saying is false. Until he stops throwing around the liar term, unless he can show that we have really lied, it is my subjection that we ignore him 100%.. Such proof could be easily found. I have and am willing again to give him the proper references. Not found in what he would call an ANTI mormon site but in copies of LDS owned and controlled historical documents.

Do you really think he would be honest enough to look them up for Himself, I doubt it.. IHS jim

Maybe 1-in-100 TBMs who come to this sight come in (all honesty). Lets not forget the 1, and just let the other 99 show their ignorance.

[James Banta]

Originally Posted by RealFakeHair

Maybe 1-in-100 TBMs who come to this sight come in (all honesty). Lets not forget the 1, and just let the other 99 show their ignorance.

Hey I will even talk to Erundur IF he wants to discuss mormonism without the personal attacks.. I don't expect that he will agree with us, BUT the fact that we hold a different view of mormonism than he does doesn't make us hypocrites or liars.. Until he grows up a bit and learns how to make a logical point based in what he "Knows is the truth". I will continue to ignore him.. IHS jim

[RealFakeHair]

Originally Posted by James Banta

Hey I will even talk to Erundur IF he wants to discuss mormonism without the personal attacks.. .. IHS jim

Wishful thinking!

[Erundur]

Originally Posted by James Banta

We both know that he really did say that he would be a god to the LDS..

But only the brain dead think this is literal--that he would actually take the place of God to us. Figurative speech is lost on anti-Mormons, isn't it?

And this Erundur can't stand to hear the truth. He hate it so much he calls it lie without even asking for or looking up references..

So you lie.

I figure if we all ignore him he will just go away..

Good luck with that.

[John T]

Originally Posted by Erundur [IMG]http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]

We have no idol and our God is not "Joe Smith". Stop lying, Apologette.

Originally Posted by Apologette

"God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead...and if you don't like it, you must lump it!" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (http://forums.carm.org/vbb/mormon-books.html#sermons), p.363).

The character of Apologette is NOT THE ISSUE HERE.

Why do you go after her personally when all she did was to quote something from CARM. There is where the author of that quoted. therefore your argument is there, not here. Go there, sign up, and then discuss that matter THERE.

[Apologette]

I have never once read any Mormon who took exception to Smith's lifestyle and his predatory stalking of women and young girls. Apparently, as is any idol, he is above judgment. He is, in fact, god to the Mormons. They never mention Jesus (other than in p***ing). Everything is Joseph, Joseph and more Joseph. It's a sad state of affairs.

[nothead]

Originally Posted by Apologette

I have never once read any Mormon who took exception to Smith's lifestyle and his predatory stalking of women and young girls. Apparently, as is any idol, he is above judgment. He is, in fact, god to the Mormons. They never mention Jesus (other than in p***ing). Everything is Joseph, Joseph and more Joseph. It's a sad state of affairs.

Hey he was just a lusty guy. What's so bad about having 38 wives? He didn't STALK them, he made up a religion where he could HAVE THEM.

Pletty shmart fella, I gumpshun. That's a harem all right.

If he made himself God, then so did Hirohito until he had to take it back. God told Moses he would be ELOHIM to pharoah, so what's the big deal?

Hint: Hebrews had no term for 'God' as we know it now. The closest word then was ELOHIM.

You know the inherent problem with the early Mormon Church was...

If JS had 38 wives, then what happened to the men these were supposed to have normally wed? They got put to pasture? Couldn't even have children, or find some women somewhere else, because if JS didn't get all the pretty ones, then one of them OTHER big shots did...
...immediately making the Church as a WHOLE survival of the fittest, or studliest, or something....LUSTIEST??

Whoo hoo. Some guys get ALL the girls. YOU GO, Guys.

[Apologette]

Originally Posted by nothead

Hey he was just a lusty guy. What's so bad about having 38 wives? He didn't STALK them, he made up a religion where he could HAVE THEM.

Pletty shmart fella, I gumpshun. That's a harem all right.

If he made himself God, then so did Hirohito until he had to take it back. God told Moses he would be ELOHIM to pharoah, so what's the big deal?

Hint: Hebrews had no term for 'God' as we know it now. The closest word then was ELOHIM.

You know the inherent problem with the early Mormon Church was...

If JS had 38 wives, then what happened to the men these were supposed to have normally wed? They got put to pasture? Couldn't even have children, or find some women somewhere else, because if JS didn't get all the pretty ones, then one of them OTHER big shots did...
...immediately making the Church as a WHOLE survival of the fittest, or studliest, or something....LUSTIEST??

Whoo hoo. Some guys get ALL the girls. YOU GO, Guys.

Well, I'm not sure if you know this, but Joe Smith "married" the wives of living Mormon husbands, and then told them to remain living with their first husbands in polyandry. The guy was a true sicko - not to mention that if an annoying pregnancy occurred. the fact that the plural wife as living with their "other" husband was a good cover. As far as his teenage wives go, the guy was a pervert, what more can I say?