Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
My sentence is true ""If a tree does not produce fruit it is dead or not really a fruit tree." However I am simply trying to anticipate your objection before you raise it.
You are ***uming that I am going to object, probably not a good idea. So, at this point I will defer addressing the other points you made in your post until such time as I do object, if I do. And if I don't object, well then, maybe we can move on. Fair enough?

So, back to your complete ****ogy and my restatment thereof. Your ****ogy was this:
A fruit tree naturally produces fruit. The fruit do not cause the life of that tree but are a result of the life of that tree. If a tree does not produce fruit it is dead or not really a fruit tree.
My restatement was this:
A saved person naturally produces good works. The good works do not cause the salvation of the saved person, but are a result of salvation of the good person. If a saved person does not produce good fruit he/she is dead or not really a saved person.
So again, ignoring the case of the thief on the cross or other deathbed conversions, does my restatement accurately reflect what you are arguing with your ****ogy?