was lucifer created evil?

[Billyray]

[QUOTE=dberrie2000;143795]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---That is a false doctrine, James. The Bible states we are all absolved of the condemnation of the Fall due to Christ's Atonement--which is why He is called the Redeemer:


Romans 5:18---King James Version (KJV)


18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Free gift to all mankind, James. All are released from the condemnation of the Fall--all have the opportunity to inherit eternal life now. If that condemnation is still with mankind--then no one can inherit life.




Definition of JUSTIFY


1--a : to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable

b (1) : to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (2) : to qualify (oneself) as a surety by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property

2--a archaic : to administer justice to

b archaic : absolve

So do you really believe that ALL men are just and right before God?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I guess your answer shows me that you focus on certain verses in the Bible and don't want to be bothered with those that contradict.

Originally Posted by Libby

Which verses, Billy?

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Psalm 14:3 They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone


Libby you asked me for some verses and I gave them to you. Are you going to address these verses or not?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So do you really believe that ALL men are just and right before God?

No, it means we are all responsible only for our own sins, not the sins of Adam or our parents.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Psalm 14:3 They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone


Libby you asked me for some verses and I gave them to you. Are you going to address these verses or not?

I believe these verses apply to those who have reached an age of accountability.

Bible Verses About Age of Accountability

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I believe these verses apply to those who have reached an age of accountability.

But that is not what the verses say Libby. And "age of accountability" doesn't mean that children do not sin, but that they are not responsible for any sin.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

But that is not what the verses say Libby. And "age of accountability" doesn't mean that children do not sin, but that they are not responsible for any sin.

That's correct. Children do sin...but, they are not accountable ("for such as these make up the Kingdom of Heaven")

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

That's correct. Children do sin...but, they are not accountable ("for such as these make up the Kingdom of Heaven")

I thought that you said that children do not sin?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

I thought that you said that children do not sin?

No, I said, I don't believe babies sin.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

No, I said, I don't believe babies sin.

But the verses that I gave you disprove your belief.

[Libby]

Billy, even you said that you believed babies probably go to heaven and that King David's baby was a possible example. There is no way babies sin. Crying helplessly, because they need something, is not sin.

If they are, possibly, imputed with sin, which makes them unholy before God, then I would say, Christ covers it. But, I'm not going to even commit to imputation of sin....only that it is a possibility.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Billy, even you said that you believed babies probably go to heaven and that King David's baby was a possible example. There is no way babies sin.

We ALL sin. If living a sinless life is the requirement to get into heaven then there wouldn't be a single person in heaven.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

There is no way babies sin.

NIV
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

NIV
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Old Testament, before Christ. Probably talking about imputation of the sin nature...not personal sin.

OR could have just been speaking figuratively, not literally.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

We ALL sin. If living a sinless life is the requirement to get into heaven then there wouldn't be a single person in heaven.

Of course. But, that doesn't mean babies commit personal sin.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Old Testament, before Christ. Probably talking about imputation of the sin nature...not personal sin.

OR could have just been speaking figuratively, not literally.

Again you reject scripture because it goes against what you feel is right. What you or I may feel is right based on our human reasoning doesn't make it so even if it seems right to us.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Again you reject scripture because it goes against what you feel is right.

I don't reject it, at all. I just don't interpret it exactly as you do.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I don't reject it, at all. I just don't interpret it exactly as you do.

You just did reject it.

Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

How else can you interpret "Surely I was sinful at birth"?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You just did reject it.

Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

How else can you interpret "Surely I was sinful at birth"?

Just as I told you. A figure of speech, not literal.

And, no, I do not reject it, anymore than the millions of Christians who also hold that interpretation.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Just as I told you. A figure of speech, not literal.

What message was he trying to convey?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

Just as I told you. A figure of speech, not literal.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Do you believe that this verse is also a figure of speech?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Do you believe that this verse is also a figure of speech?

No, I believe, according to the Bible, it applies to those who are accountable.

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

What message was he trying to convey?

That we are born with a very deep and inescapable inclination towards sin.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

That we are born with a very deep and inescapable inclination towards sin.

Even as a baby?

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Even as a baby?

I said "born with". We all do sin, and usually very quickly...but in the first year? Not likely.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by Libby

I said "born with". We all do sin, and usually very quickly...but in the first year? Not likely.

This is what you believe based on your feelings not what the Bible actually teaches.