Originally Posted by Billyray View Post---What I said does not cancel out anything so I wonder why you persist using this false ***ertion. Salvation comes to those who place their faith in Christ, which is exactly what the thief on the cross did and he was saved despite not having any works. As I have told you multiple times now dead faith = no faith.
[/quote]Originally Posted by dberrie2000 View Post---That places you in a tight position. If the thief had no works--as you admit above--and dead faith = no faith--then you have the thief being saved with dead faith--which you claim is no faith at all.[/quote]

Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post---It doesn't put me in a tight position at all because the thief had faith...
[quote] dberrie---How could the thief have had faith when you just stated that--dead faith = no faith.---and then you confirming the thief---was saved despite not having any works..

That is not a tight spot--it is altogether crossways and transverse to logic.


James 2:20---King James Version (KJV)
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20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


Billyray--you are toast to your own arguments.
Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
DB the one who is toast is you--but unfortunately you will not find that out until after you die.
How does your judgment change what the Biblical record testifies to?

James 2:20---King James Version (KJV)

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


How could the thief had had faith when you state---"saved despite not having any works. As I have told you multiple times now dead faith = no faith."