Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
Yes that is what I am getting at. It seems like the difference between the Calvinist and the Arminian point of view is that from the Calvinist point of view God knows what will happen because he brings it to p*** according to his will--in a way similar to the creation of the universe in that he brought it into existence according to his will (not that he foresaw that it would come into existence and he simply predicted it ahead of time)--whereas the Arminian point of view is that God has a preview of what has happened and predicted it based on what he has already seen.


John Calvin wrote, "[God] foresees future events only by reason of the fact that he decreed that they take place." And Jacobus Arminius wrote, "[God] has known from eternity which persons should believe . . . and which should persevere through subsequent grace."
http://www.desiringgod.org/conferenc...-human-choices
But the even bigger difference, which I just reiterated in my last post is our responsibility and God's justness. I have read several Arminian articles, recently, and many of them comment on this and how Calvinism's "determinism" does harm to God's integrity.