Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
On one of these topics, (likely on one of the Mormon topics) there was a question asked about the relationship that Jesus had with the father before he was born?

The question raised the idea of Jesus being the 'Eternal Son'

Did Jesus have a "father-Son" relationship with God before he was born?

I have come to the conclusion that the correct answer is "no"
Then you are on biblically sound ground.

Jesus preincarnate was equal with the Father (who wasn't the Father of anything until the incarnation of his Son which he begat).

Hebrews 10:5 (AV)
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 1:5 (AV)
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Before neither was the case (father or son).

Jesus preincarnate (God the Word see John 1:1 / John 1:14 / 1 John 1:1) is the sole Creator in the beginning.


John 1:1–3 (AV)
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Colossians 1:13–16 (AV)
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Isaiah 44:24 (AV)
24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Now he was in company with the Father (1 John 1:2) and the Holy Ghost (Genesis 1:2). But he acted alone. By himself. He is the Creator in the beginning and the father of it. But he is not the person in the Godhead who became his Father in the incarnation (who I like to call God the Authority since from all eternity all authority rested with him). His one creation is the body of the Son (John 1:14b / Hebrews 10:5 / Hebrews 1:5).

This solves a lot of traditions of men that actually tied the logic of the whole thing up in knots. Jesus is the actual only begotten Son of God the Authority. The "sons of God" in Genesis 6, *** 1 & 2, Luke 3:38, etc. are sons of God the Word. And we can become sons (children) of God the Authority through adoption.


Romans 8:15 (AV)
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.