Quote Originally Posted by alanmolstad View Post
So.....Im going to go over the Genesis creation story as it is written to us in the Bible.

This is not the same story that the Young Earth teachers want us to believe, but as I have said before if at any time you see me say something that you dont think is clearly talked about in the bible, just let me know.

I would enjoy showing you guys where the following appears in the Holy Text.





Here we go!


The Genesis story is told from an earth-bound point of view.
Many people try to read the story from a NASA spaceman ( as in - "Im up in space looking down at the earth") point of view, but this is wrong. The POV of the writer of the Genesi story is earth bound....

The point of view to have in your mind as you read the Genesis story is one of a person hovering over the dark sea.





The first thing God makes is the Sun and the stars and the moon and all the other stuff up there in outer space that we dont even know about yet or have names for,

So the source for ALL the "light" is created on "Day 1.

The earth is created as a dead and DRY world.

Over time the Bible talks about a mist of water vapor coming forth from underground .
The clouds that form wrap the earth in a thick darkness.
The rain the forms out of these clouds covered the earth is great seas.
It is these seas that are "waters"and "the deep" that are listed at the opening of the Genesis story.

As the clouds that were so thick they wrapped the earth is thick darkness start to thin out, it appears on earth to be just how you would expect it to be, with at first only a notable change between day and night seen....then later asthe clouds thin out more and more, lots of things become more able to be detected, and finally the sign that the thick Genesis clouds are totally cleared away is that even the dim lights of the stars are seen at night.

The bible does not say that the sun is made on the 4th day, rather what is talked about is the greater amounts of light that is seen as the thick clouds of *** 38 are cleared away .

and so -
The Bible does not say that the moon was madeon the 4th day, rather what is talked about is the dimmer light and this is to be expected to be talked about as the moon had already been created on Day 1, but now as the clouds thin away we see more and more things more clearly.

and also-
The Bible does not actually say that the stars were made on the 4th day, but this was added by some Bible editors who wanted the bible to agree with YEC.
What the Bible actually says about the stars on the 4th day is that they and the night are ruled over by the lesser light......(Its that simple, go check it out!)


The life on the earth is a product of the earth itself, and the earth is the source for all life.
Humans and animals share this same source , so in a very real way humans are a part of the earth that has come to life.
Hi Alan, I appreciate your zeal for our discussion.
Here is the text we are discussing taken from 1599 Geneva Bible, I doubt the YEC folks were around in 1599.
“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
God then made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made also the stars.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven, to shine upon the earth,
And to rule in the day, and in the night, and to separate the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”


Also I suggest you read the genealogy of Jesus as recorded in Luke 3:23-38. There is no ape between Adam and God. How could anyone suggest that the King of Kings has an ape in His ancestry?