Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
Thank you for the quote from the bible. I also like this one: "...for whoever is not against us is for us."

I like this quote because it helps me to not see enemies everywhere.

This thread is first about Global Warming, and this issue is based on scientific facts and by worldwide scientific observations. Even Mr. Bush is now confessing that we are in a real environmental mess.



Well, it is difficult to blame the democrats for everything when the conservatives have governed the country for decades. Twenty-eight years during the last forty-five years. Or 62% of the mandates.



Are you implying that there is no gays, abortions, or crooks among the conservatives?

Anyway, have a Merry Christmas for you and your beloved wife.

Trinity
The application of your quote is quite different in context. Luke 9 49-50 states:

49
Then John said in reply, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow in our company."
50
Jesus said to him, "Do not prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you."

The application here is quite different. The person who is "not against you" is indeed for you when they are in substance using the same authority of God to cast out demons. So we can gather that Protestants do share the same Lord when God is demonstratively performing miracles, even though they are not Catholics. It makes them as much our brother, even though seperated. The p***age I gave is quite different in context.

What you may call conservative, the grouping of certain individuals within us, does not necessarily mean they are conservative. A gay conservative is an oxymoron. A lot of conservatives who have in their daily lives the principle are also realists knowing that the necessary changes or metamorphesis of actual procedure into the favorable tried and true conservative principles are not going to happen in one day. If it took Rome about 766 years to reach its zenith of glory from 753 BCE to 14 CE, we cannot expect with opposition to maintain conservative policy making. Unfortunetly, because the nature of compromise is prevalent in our system... absolute conservative is not possible in a political system and the City of God will last and not the City of Man. Augustine's "City of God" tried to demonstrate the contrast between such. However, you as a Catholic should be in your principles and beliefs a conservative and promoting such conservativism to the best of your ability. The environmental responsibilities are important as Benedict has laid out, but do not expect the political system in its fight against global warming to be the savior of the world. The apocalypse has some very interesting aspects about the end of the world as well as other end time prophecies from the O.T.. The world will eventually end, we cannot stop that. Christ will eventually come also. We must as conservatives do what we can on all playing fields for the environment, but bridges need to be built to overcome the various obsticles. Some bridges as you propose for charity to unwed mothers are costly and only promote the bad behavior because it sends the message that a bailout for wrongful living can be had, treating only the symptom but not the cause. In the same way, over taxation and gross spending by the government in the name of the environment is a madhouse way of getting to the objectives. As is, most environmental charity groups administration costs are absolutely a travesty.
Friends of the Urban Forest's adminstration costs are 25.4 percent.
The National Parks Conservation ***ociation's adminstrative costs are 20.7 percent.
NARAL Pro-Choice American Foundation's administration costs are 21.6 percent.

Compare to Food for the Poor, inc--faith based Services is a whomping 3.2 percent.

Now where is GreenPeace's administration costs? It does not even meet the 10 accountability standards to be listed in the CFC. Why is adminstration costs so large in these environmental charity groups?

Check out the above charities administration costs. Lists from A to Z is here:
http://www.charitablechoices.org/Categories/all.asp

It seems to me that most religious based groups adminstration costs are around 12 percent.

Greenpeace Fund is registered with the Internal Revenue Service as a 501(c)(3) en***y and promotes Greenpeace's mission through public education, gr***roots lobbying and grants to other environmental organizations. Contributions to Greenpeace Fund are tax-deductible.

Taken from their site, listed on the bottom when you try to donate.


It seems you got a whole networking of a bankrupt environmental religious organization. Its preaching in public education, helps lobbying, and supports those environmental organizations which probably take their donations and turn around and support Democrat campaigns. But besides saving whales, its seems like merely a front for the DNC.

In short Trinity, I am not sure which religion is going to win out with you... environmentalism or Catholicism. If you think government is the answer, then environmentalism is your religion of choice and not Catholicism. The world is going to end, and catastrophically at that too. We should do our best for our environment, but not at the expense where we bankrupt our livelyhood.

As Proverbs 30.8-9 states:
Put falsehood and lying far from me, give me neither poverty nor riches; (provide me only with the food I need
Lest, being full, I deny you, saying, "Who is the LORD?" Or, being in want, I steal, and profane the name of my God.

Like I said, there needs to be a bridge where we can cross over responsibly and not charge all the buffalo's over the cliff. Your mentality over global warming is more important to you to force government as the answer rather than pointing to the impending doom that awaits this world when Christ comes again.