Originally Posted by Father_JD
Hardly. You know full well that God created Lucifer to do GOOD. So why the little Mormon reindeer game as if you don't know the answer?

What good did he do, JD?
He was in charge of the musical worship of God in Heaven. Your biblical ignorance is showing. I guess you didn't know that his name meant, "Light-Bearer" either, meaning he was perhaps the most beautiful of God's angelic creation??


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No one knows. The Bible doesn't give an answer for your "poser". And don't think for one second your phoni-Moroni-latter-day-revelation knows any better.

Surely my beliefs are different. We don't accept creation ex nihilo JD.
I'm sorry your weak godlet you esteem as "God", can only work with eternal "pre-existent matter", which MEANS MATTER IS AS ETERNAL AS HE IS. Nevermind that's illogical....you believe it 'cause LD$, Inc tells you to believe that.


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It does answer your question. You just don't like the answer: Man's body and spirit/soul were CO-CREATED.

Co-created? What's that mean? created together? That's not what Gen. 2 says.

No, in fact Gen. 2 completely CONTRADICTS the Mormon belief of "eternal spirit children" being given fleshy tabernacles, doesn't it?


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I can't prove a negative, stem. Why don't you furnish us with just one exception where an angel was FLESH AND BONE, huh? Hebrews 1 is clear: Angels are SPIRITS just as God the Father Himself is SPIRIT.

Well of course angels have spirits, but so do you JD...so does Jesus too.
That's NOT what the Bible teaches and you're yet again guilty of foisting Mormon belief over the Biblcal text. Like I said, furnish ONE example where Angels have FLESH AND BONE, ok? Either put up or shut up, stem.


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No, it's not properly labeled as a "mystery", whereas the Incarnation IS. The answer? GOD CHOSE NOT TO. Why is that so hard for Mormons to understand, stem? Is it because you know you can't reconcile Mormon beliefs with the Bible?

But why did God choose not to? i guess mystery won't work for you, so what word would you prefer?

Only GOD KNOWS, stem. "Mystery" doesn't work because it isn't a mystery: God created angels and spirit beings, He created humans as flesh and spirit. It's REALLY that simple when one isn't trying to reconcile Mormon dogma with the Bible.


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Ri-i-i-i-i-ight. I'm not the one who "sustains" as a "prophet" a two-bit con man who buried his face in his hat with his magic rock, stem.

no kdding, your's is the religion in which god himself is the one who caused the downfall of his own creations by conceiving of the occurance long before He created. the one in which lucifer, though, created supposedly "good" because evil long before he created the earth.

I keep tellin' you, stem. God did NOT cause the downfall. Adam did it all by his little lonesome with Eve. Obviously you're only capable of STRAW-MAN illustrations.