Quote Originally Posted by Bat-Man View Post
Please explain how you are defining the word: indulgence

You seem to be defining it as simply "doing something to be of service to someone who has died", and if that's all it takes in your perspective, then I hope you'll at least be consistent by using the same standard when you also do something to be of service to someone who has died... that is, if you actually do or would do anything.


Just clarify at what point you consider ANYONE to be offering an "indulgence" to ANYONE else, whether living or dead ?


Heh, what good would it do if I did?


I get credit, and I'm going to continue to get credit, for everything I do and have ever done whether or not anyone else ever accepts what I do or have done for them.

In other words, I'm getting credit, and I'm going to continue to get credit, for teaching you the true gospel of Jesus Christ (which you refer to as "Mormonism") whether or not you ever accept what I am teaching you.


I believe we keep records of our own actions and what we have observed simply because we want our actions and our observations to be recorded in Heaven and on this Earth.
LDS Mormonism is different than the true gosepl of Jesus and baptizing by proxy for me is meaningless and a waste of time. I reject Mormonism as false teaching and against God's Word.

I'm understanding indulgences as a false teaching leading people to believe they can pay money, do works, etc. for someone who is already dead with the belief it will help them leave a "spirit prison" or purgatory sooner than they would have been able to otherwise. I also reject "spirit prison" for those who die who aren't LDS Mormons and are dependant on a living LDS Mormon to release them from it by proxy baptism.

I have no problem with people honoring a dead person or even compensating victims of dead persons... it's a great thing to do and perhaps GOd would even reqard the living for those behaviors. I believe Jesus's death on the cross is completely sufficeint to accomplish God's will after death and He doesn't need the help of LDS Mormons.

Furthermore, I believe each person is responsible for their own life, beliefs, and actions while they are alive and if you reject the gospel Jesus teaches you will spend an eternity apart from Him, in hell. A living person can't take on the salvation of another simply be ***uming he can and getting baptized in their name. That simply is a lie of Satan. It is what Jesus the Messiah accomplished fo rus on the cross. Baptism is the personal expression of your decision to follow God's true teaching.

Let me ask you, if your faith is in what LDS Moronism teaches, and if you truly are leading people into false teaching, what will your eternity be like?

Thanks, shoe