Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
This is a great question.

Neither the religion or the science are able to answer this question with a full cer***ude. For now, believers and scientists, they are agreeing that there was a beginning (big bang theory).

It is difficult to understand that all causalities did not have an original cause. Believers and scientists are searching for this original cause. For the believers the research is intuitive and for the scientists the research is rational.
I have been running into some humanist/atheist hypocrisy lately. In my arguments with them, some of the physcists will say theists are "special pleading" when they claim God has always existed. They will also call "special pleading" when the theist claims God exists outside of the universe, and the universe was created by God from the outside.

Yet these same people will claim the universe (in one form or another) has always existed; the Big Bang just being a transformation. They will also sometimes claim that forces beyond our known universe may have had influence or causation for our universe. Isn't this the same "special pleading" they accuse theists of making? That God exists outside the universe and had causation for our universe?