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    Billyray
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrajeff View Post
    ---What I can't believe is that GOD ever SAID that all people, including fetuses that die before birth, HAVE sinned. Can you prove that GOD ever said such a thing? I can find where PAUL wrote something to the ROMAN SAINTS, but last I checked, Paul was not God, and Paul was not even QUOTING God.
    Jeff, this is the doctrine of "inherited sin"--Adam's sin was imputed to mankind and thus we are considered sinful even without breaking any law (see verse 13 below). But the fact is that we do sin, everyone of us, everyday. We have an inherited sin nature--we sin because of this nature. However sin and accountability are not the same, as we have previously discussed. A child can sin but may not be accountable for that sin.

    Romans 5 (NIV)
    Death in Adam, Life in Christ
    12Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
    13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
    14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.


    Also notice David in this Psalm talks about HIS sins and verse 5 states, "I was brought forth in iniquity" and in context this is speaking about himself, not his mother which some like to incorrectly conclude.
    Psalm 51 (ESV)
    1 Have mercy on me, O God,
    according to your steadfast love;
    according to your abundant mercy
    blot out my transgressions.
    2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
    and cleanse me from my sin!
    3 For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is ever before me.
    4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
    and done what is evil in your sight,
    so that you may be justified in your words
    and blameless in your judgment.
    5Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    and in sin did my mother conceive me.


    From the ESV Study Bible notes
    "Ps. 51:5 I was brought forth (that is, from the womb) in iniquity. David thinks of himself as a sinful person from the time of his birth. in sin did my mother conceive me. The idea is not that the act of conception was itself sinful, but (as the parallel first line shows) that each worshiper learns to trace his sinful tendencies to the very beginning of his existence—not only from birth but even from before that, to conception."
    Last edited by Billyray; 03-09-2010 at 08:00 PM.

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