What are the requirements to be a Christian?

[TheSword99]

Originally Posted by Billyray

You know Sword this was a good thread until you ****ed in. I hope that this thread does not get deleted because of your derail.

I didn't derail anything. I merely called you out on your erroneous belief that regeneration comes before faith. This thread is about what are the requirements for being a Christian and I gave the truth from God's word.. The LDS need to know what God said.

It was a nice thread to you Billy, because no one challenged you with the Scriptures. No one wants to. Others have tried to talk to you, but you have dismissed all of us. You prefer to be the lone wolf christian and when someone tries to show you your error, you close your ears..

Anyway, I'm done. I wish you had a teachable heart, Billy

[alanmolstad]

To be a christian you must believe in the resurrection of Christ..

There is no other requirement.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by alanmolstad

To be a christian you must believe in the resurrection of Christ..

There is no other requirement.

Thanks Alan for trying to get us back on track.

[ErikErik]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Thanks Alan for trying to get us back on track.

So you agree with Alan that the only requirement for being a true christian is belief in the resurrection?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

So you agree with Alan that the only requirement for being a true christian is belief in the resurrection?

I believe that a Christian is defined by faith in Christ and regeneration.


And Erik what are the requirements to be a Christian?

[glm1978]

Billy,

John 1:12-13 teaches that one must be spiritually and supernaturally reborn to become regenerated. First one must receive Christ as Savior before this can happen. It is like light and dark. The light of God cannot dwell within a dark heart, so conversion first and regeneration second.

[BigJulie]

Jill, isn't it time to delete another thread and ban a few more Mormons as per your standard MO (mode of operation)?

For the readers, this disagreement that has been going from thread to thread does not involve Mormons but for whatever reason, the Mormons keep getting banned.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

For the readers, this disagreement that has been going from thread to thread does not involve Mormons but for whatever reason, the Mormons keep getting banned.

BigJ this was a good thread until Sword highjacked it. I certainly hope this does not get deleted. BTW what LDS just got banned for participating in this thread?

[glm1978]

Originally Posted by Billyray

BigJ this was a good thread until Sword highjacked it. I certainly hope this does not get deleted. BTW what LDS just got banned for participating in this thread?

Your comment is derogatory. This is an open forum and anyone can post on the threads. So if you don't want comments from others take it to PM. You have posted more on this thread than anyone .

Originally Posted by Billyray

John 1 NIV
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Hey are you, Erik, and the Sword roomates? It seems like you guys are taking turns at the computer.


First off regenerated IS born again or spiritual birth. According to verse 13 can a person "will" himself to be reborn?

The word is spelled roommates. I am neither Sword or Erik but if more than one person doesn't hold your view then we all must be attacking you, correct. Spiritual birth is a regeneration, on that you are correct, but Faith proceeds its. John 1:12-13 says Faith does come first. You posted the scripture and that is what it says so if you disagree with the scripture you need to take that up with God.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by glm1978

Your comment is derogatory. This is an open forum and anyone can post on the threads. So if you don't want comments from others take it to PM. You have posted more on this thread than anyone .

It does happen to be my thread. And I started it in response to being labeled a non Christian by both Jim and BigJ. Other than a short reply to BigJ about regeneration this thread had nothing to do with Calvinism. This was interjected by the Sword and now has completely derailed this thread.

[alanmolstad]

you have to understand one thing about the christian faith...It is a faith of the simple common people.

If being a Christian was tricky, then none of us would be Christian.

If being a Christian was due to being able to p*** a theology test of doctrine?.....none of us would be a Christian.

The Christian faith is a faith that is easy to grasp...its simple..just believe and you ARE a Christian.

[ErikErik]

Originally Posted by Billyray

It does happen to be my thread. And I started it in response to being labeled a non Christian by both Jim and BigJ. Other than a short reply to BigJ about regeneration this thread had nothing to do with Calvinism. This was interjected by the Sword and now has completely derailed this thread.

This may be your thread but its still an open forum. Although this thread does not have to do with Calvinism, your views concerning regeneration does. It would be remiss if Christians let you go unchecked trying to teach others this false belief. Billyray, get your KJV and look at the footnotes for John 1, 12,13. BELIEF comes first.

It really amazes me that others show you the scriptures that teaches faith precedes regeneration and you totally ignore that and keep harping about John1, 12,13 which doesn't say what you claim.


Go ahead and do your own thing Billy, but if you teach something that conflicts with the Bible we will confront it on the forum. I thought you were a christian, but your actions and understanding of what the scriptures actually does teach, seems to proves otherwise.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

Billyray, get your KJV and look at the footnotes for John 1, 12,13. BELIEF comes first.

John 1
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Erik do you "will" yourself to be born again?

If you repent and place your faith in Christ then your regeneration IS based on your actions/works. i.e. you are willing yourself to be born again.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

I thought you were a christian, but your actions and understanding of what the scriptures actually does teach, seems to proves otherwise.

so all Reformed Christians are not really Christians according to you?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

Billyray, get your KJV and look at the footnotes for John 1, 12,13. BELIEF comes first.

ESV Study Bible
Born, not of blood … , but of God makes clear that neither physical birth nor ethnic descent nor human effort can make people children of God, but only God's supernatural work (8:41–47; cf. 3:16). This extends the possibility of becoming God's children to Gentiles and not just Jews (11:51–52; cf. 10:16). See also 3:3–8. To all … who believed … he gave the right indicates that saving faith precedes becoming members of God's family through adoption as his children.


The Bible Knowledge Commentary:
1:13. The new birth does not come by natural descent (lit., “of bloods”), nor is it the result of a human decision (lit., “the will of the flesh,” i.e., the natural human desire for children), nor is it the result of a husband’s will. The birth of a child of God is not a natural birth; it is a supernatural work of God in regeneration. A person welcomes Jesus and responds in faith and obedience to Him, but the mysterious work of the Holy Spirit is “the cause” of regeneration (3:5-8).

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

Billyray, get your KJV

Oh yea I forgot you are a KJV only guy.

[Billyray]

Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)
Originally written in 1706, Matthew Henry's six volume Complete Commentary provides an exhaustive look at every verse in the Bible.

[John 1]
"It is not produced by the natural power of our own will. As it is not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, so neither is it of the will of man, which labours under a moral impotency of determining itself to that which is good; so that the principles of the divine life are not of our own planting, it is the grace of God that makes us willing to be his. Nor can human laws or writings prevail to sanctify and regenerate a soul; if they could, the new birth would be by the will of man. But, 2. Positively: it is of God. This new birth is owing to the word of God as the means (1 Pet. i. 23), and to the Spirit of God as the great and sole author. True believers are born of God, 1 John iii. 9; v. 1."


Erik I understand that you have a different point of view and I respect your view. You on the other hand do not respect my view.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

It would be remiss if Christians let you go unchecked trying to teach others this false belief

Then you would agree that it would be remiss for me to let you teach false doctrine. Agree?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by glm1978

Spiritual birth is a regeneration, on that you are correct, but Faith proceeds its. John 1:12-13 says Faith does come first.

John 1
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Do you believe that you can "will" your regeneration?

[ErikErik]

Originally Posted by Billyray

John 1
12:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Do you believe that you can "will" your regeneration?

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Some sincere Christians believe that the sinner is regenerated by receiving the Spirit "before" he believes. But Paul makes it clear that the receiving of the Spirit happens when the sinner believes.

Not of the will of the flesh means we are not saved through self-effort. Not of the will of man means not everyone will accept Christ.

But of God: when you become saved, you aren't given a new birth by parents or other people, but God Himself.


Faith is the means not the result. Nowhere does the Bible say that faith is created by regeneration. John 3::1-16 explains how God gives eternal life as a result of faith, not a requirement for faith. Eph 2:8 explains how it is through faith God made alive those who were dead in sins (Eph. 2:1-7). Regeneration is the result of receiving God’s eternal life, and that life is only available through faith (John 5:24; 20:31)

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

Not of the will of man means not everyone will accept Christ.

That is not what that says Erik. It says that you are not born again based on your own will or actions.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

we are not saved through self-effort.

Then how are you saved?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by ErikErik

I thought you were a christian, but your actions and understanding of what the scriptures actually does teach, seems to proves otherwise.

so all Reformed Christians are not really Christians according to you?

[BigJulie]

Originally Posted by Billyray

BigJ this was a good thread until Sword highjacked it. I certainly hope this does not get deleted. BTW what LDS just got banned for participating in this thread?

Well, BibleChristian just got banned. I have looked at the LDS who have gotten banned and their last posts and for the life of me, I cannot see what was so offensive that Jill felt to ban them--but her site, her choice.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by BigJulie

Well, BibleChristian just got banned. I have looked at the LDS who have gotten banned and their last posts and for the life of me, I cannot see what was so offensive that Jill felt to ban them--but her site, her choice.

When I was on MADB board that happened to me on multiple occasions.

But I have a feeling that bibleChristian was a repeat LDS poster under a different name, but that is only a hunch on my part.