God as Spirit or flesh and bone

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000
I placed the Father and the Son together at the same time on the mount of transfiguration to show that ****ogy would not work for me--it had nothing to do with God the Father appearing with a body or without a body.

Originally Posted by Billyray

Did we ever expect that you would ever hold Christian doctrine?

Please explain. But first--are you referring to "Christianity" as the faith alone claim it--or as the Biblical text has it in the NT church?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Please explain.

What is there to explain? You hold heretical doctrine and I don't think any Christian here thinks you will ever see the truth UNLESS God opens up your eyes to the truth.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

What is there to explain? You hold heretical doctrine and I don't think any Christian here thinks you will ever see the truth UNLESS God opens up your eyes to the truth.

But that is just a general statement that anyone can make against another. Please post your scripture and make a specific argument.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Please post your scripture and make a specific argument.

Just about everything you believe is heretical. So where do you want to start?

[jdjhere]

"God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones, God the Son has a resurrected body."

What exactly is incorrect about this?

If A=B and B=C then A=C

Jesus is God the Son
Jesus has a resurrected body.
God the Son has a resurrected body.

How exactly is that incorrect?

It is NOT incorrect, except one minor thing- your conclusion is INCOMPLETE-

God the Son has a GLORIFIED resurrected SPIRITUAL PHYSICAL BODY that houses the the SPIRIT of God the Son and this Spirit is ****ousios with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is FULLY man and FULLY God.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega" Isaiah 44:6; Rev 1:8 " I am the Alpha and the Omega" Rev 1:17; 2:8 Rev 22:13-20 WHO is the Alpha and the Omega from these verses? John 1:1-3, 14 Compare Zech 12:10 to John 19:37 Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords? There can only be one 1 Timothy 6:15 and Rev 19:16 and why does it say GOD purchased the Church with His OWN BLOOD? Acts 20:28? Read John 1:18

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by jdjhere

"God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones, God the Son has a resurrected body."

This is what is obviously wrong--you have the person of Jesus Christ as having a resurrected physical body.

You deny that the Father has such--only a Spirit.

That is fine until you add "God" to the equation.

You can no longer differentiate at that level--because there is but one God there--not three, in the faith alone theology.

So--does God have a resurrected body? A simple yes or no?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

So--does God have a resurrected body? A simple yes or no?

The Father does not have a resurrected body, the Son does have a resureccted body.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

The Father does not have a resurrected body, the Son does have a resureccted body.

Are you saying that God has a resurrected body?

note to lurkers: Billyray nor anyone else here that is faith alone is going to answer this question--for obvious reasons. Diversion is all one will get here.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Are you saying that God has a resurrected body?

God the Father does not have a resurrected body, God the Son has a resurrected body.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

note to lurkers: Billyray nor anyone else here that is faith alone is going to answer this question--for obvious reasons. Diversion is all one will get here.

Note to lurkers I have already answered this questions multiple times but DB is in his circling mode and gets like this by asking the same question of a variatiion over and over again. Seems to be a glitch is his matrix.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Note to lurkers I have already answered this questions multiple times but DB is in his circling mode and gets like this by asking the same question of a variatiion over and over again. Seems to be a glitch is his matrix.

No! You have not--and you won't fool a single lurker with that post.

Do you believe that God has a resurrected body?

It's a yes or no answer. Diversion into the persons of the Godhead will not answer the question.

There is but one God--either He has a resurrected body or He does not. We know about the persons.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

No! You have not--and you won't fool a single lurker with that post.

Do you believe that God has a resurrected body?

Sure I have answered your question and I will answer it again one more time for you. Perhaps you will get it this time.

God the Father does not have a resurrected body, God the Son has a resurrected body.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Sure I have answered your question and I will answer it again one more time for you. Perhaps you will get it this time.

God the Father does not have a resurrected body, God the Son has a resurrected body.

You only thing you do with those posts is show the faith alone belief to be ambiguous.

You list God there in both the Father and the Son.

You ***ign one a resurrected body and one without a resurrected body.

But yet--you believe they are the same God.

If they are the same God--they have the same substance--as the Trinitarian doctrine states--the "****ousious God".

Billyray--****ousious means same substance. A resurrected Body for God and God not having a resurrected body is not only contrary to a ****ousious God--it is downright contradictory.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Billyray--****ousious means same substance.

That is a term that is not in the Bible and I never use that term. Why don't we stick with what we have in the Bible. God the Father is God, God the Son is God, and God the HS is God. And there only one God.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

That is a term that is not in the Bible and I never use that term.

Oh, but the Trinitarian creed does. That was the very heart and soul of Trinitarianism.

You do use the tern "same essence--do you not?

Where do you find that in the Bible?

Why don't we stick with what we have in the Bible.

Because if we did--the faith alone theology would disappear, as there is not the first mention of any such term in any Bible the faith alone use.

In fact--the closest thing we have of faith alone in any translation the faith alone use is this:

James2:24--" Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

God the Father is God, God the Son is God, and God the HS is God. And there only one God.

If there is only one God--then why are you ***igning both a resurrected body and not a resurrected to that one God?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Oh, but the Trinitarian creed does. That was the very heart and soul of Trinitarianism.

You do use the tern "same essence--do you not?

Nope I personally don't use that term.

[dberrie2000]

Billyray---That is a term that is not in the Bible and I never use that term. Why don't we stick with what we have in the Bible. God the Father is God, God the Son is God, and God the HS is God. And there only one God.

Billyray--you use the terms co-equal and co-eternal. Where do you find those terms in the Bible?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Billyray--you use the terms co-equal and co-eternal. Where do you find those terms in the Bible?

Philipians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Philipians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

And where is co-eternal?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

And where is co-eternal?

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

Billyray--you use the terms co-equal and co-eternal. Where do you find those terms in the Bible?

Now lets look at YOUR heretical views of God.

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Now lets look at YOUR heretical views of God.

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.

Just what Michael states:

1. The plural ʾĕlōhîm of Psalm 82:1, 6 are divine beings, not human judges or humans fulfilling any role.

2. The term monotheism is inadequate to describe what it is Israel believed about God and the members of his council. As the text explicitly says, there are other ʾĕlōhîm.

3. References to "us" and "our" in p***ages like Genesis 1:26 do not refer to the Trinity. The plural ʾĕlōhîm of Psalm 82 are also not members of the Trinity.

4. The denial statements of Isaiah and elsewhere ("there is no god beside me") do not cons***ute denials of the existence of other ʾĕlōhîm. Rather, they are statements of Yahweh's incomparability.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

4. The denial statements of Isaiah and elsewhere ("there is no god beside me") do not cons***ute denials of the existence of other ʾĕlōhîm. Rather, they are statements of Yahweh's incomparability.

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.

[dberrie2000]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.

dberrie----Just what Michael states:

1. The plural ʾĕlōhîm of Psalm 82:1, 6 are divine beings, not human judges or humans fulfilling any role.

2. The term monotheism is inadequate to describe what it is Israel believed about God and the members of his council. As the text explicitly says, there are other ʾĕlōhîm.

3. References to "us" and "our" in p***ages like Genesis 1:26 do not refer to the Trinity. The plural ʾĕlōhîm of Psalm 82 are also not members of the Trinity.

4. The denial statements of Isaiah and elsewhere ("there is no god beside me") do not cons***ute denials of the existence of other ʾĕlōhîm. Rather, they are statements of Yahweh's incomparability.

How is there no Gods beside Jesus Christ--and the divine council consisting of a number of Gods?

1. The plural ʾĕlōhîm of Psalm 82:1, 6 are divine beings, not human judges or humans fulfilling any role.

What is it about plural Elohim that we are not getting?

Michael Heiser addressed the issue about your question--I posted it.

What is your answer to the Hebrew Bible having numerous Elohim in the divine council?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by dberrie2000

How is there no Gods beside Jesus Christ--and the divine council consisting of a number of Gods?

Focus brother berrie you are losing your train of thought. We wern't speaking about Psalm 82 were were in Isaiah 43

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.