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---Are you calling me a liar, Jim? Here is some logic for you: If I DISAGREE with what I say your buddies have said, but YOU say that your buddies never said such a thing, then it could mean that your buddies and I actually AGREE. Are you willing to accuse your buddies of agreeing with an LDS?
Must I believe everything that a person says in order to ***ure them that they aren't lying? I don't think so.. I really believe that you are sincere in your post and tell the truth as you know it.. I just don't believe what you tell me is the truth. I believe you are parroting the lies you have been taught over the years.. It's strange to me that you could actually believe this stuff but you do and think you are stating truth.. None of the unique doctrines of mormonism are the truth.. They are all the lies of Joseph Smith..
---Can YOU understand it? Can YOU make sense of it? Because your buddies often end up essentially admitting that it's a "mystery, who are you to question it, God's ways are higher than our ways, etc."
Yes I agree, But God's ways are God's ways and in them there is no variance or shadow of turning.. What He has given to us as His will for our lives and salvation is His, then is no other way, no other will for us, nor can there ever be.. What His message is to us it is and it too is never changing.
---LOL. Did you even READ Mesenja's post? Did you read Spurgeon's sermon?
It's been said that modern Calvinism (neo-Calvinism?) is so foreign to previous Christian doctrine that even John Calvin would have problems with it. And yet you want to DEFEND it? Why?
Yes and so what? I have shown you FROM THE BIBLE. where the doctrines of TULIP are part of the doctrine presented in the New Testament.. It doesn't matter if another preacher disagrees or not. The Bible is the final word not anyone that disagrees with it.
---What I can't believe is that GOD ever SAID that all people, including fetuses that die before birth, HAVE sinned. Can you prove that GOD ever said such a thing? I can find where PAUL wrote something to the ROMAN SAINTS, but last I checked, Paul was not God, and Paul was not even QUOTING God.
I can show you in Gods's word what I have shown to you. Here is is one more time.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Because this came by the hand of Paul you seem to want to reject it.. Fine than reject it. Just don't tell me you believe in the Bible while you do..
Yes this is from Paul but as He was moved by the Holy Spirit. That makes it God's word since the Holy Spirit is God. I would love hearing that you consider this p***age to be a lie, that it isn't God's word at all.. That will be very telling to all who read it just what it is you believe.. And that isn't a belief in God.
You reject that which has been given to us through a man who was a Real Apostle. A man who saw the risen Lord. Who others verified as having heard the evidence of that vision. Another who had been directed by God to give Paul back his sight. People who saw marvelous works of God being preformed by his hand. You go right on and deny such a man. I will hold these writings as though they were given directly by the mouth of Jesus. You go on and deny it.
IHS jim