God as Spirit or flesh and bone

[TrueBlue?]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Focus brother berrie you are losing your train of thought. We wern't speaking about Psalm 82 were were in Isaiah 43

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Tell me what this verse says.

Iranaeus has explained it very well

And thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: He who is, hath sent me unto you;” (Exo_3:14) and His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who makes those that believe in His name the sons of God. And again, when the Son speaks to Moses, He says, “I am come down to deliver this people.” (Exo_3:8) For it is He who descended and ascended for the salvation of men. Therefore God has been declared through the Son, who is in the Father, and has the Father in Himself — He who is, the Father bearing witness to the Son, and the Son announcing the Father. — As also Esaias says, “I too am witness,” he declares, “saith the Lord God, and the Son whom I have chosen, that ye may know, and believe, and understand that I am.” (Isa_43:10)

Once again reading the scriptures as the Jews did so as the Jews, you cannot recognize truly who Christ is and in effect shout with the Pharisees "Cruficy Him" because you try and strip away His Iden***y along with the Fathers.

Joh_17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The Early Church Fathers of the first century understood the meaning of this verse and the nature of God, because they were taught by the ones who wrote the verses. They conversed with them. They were able to ask the questions we speak of here and receive answers straight from the mouths of the Apostles on issues like this. Something some of us could only dream of. This is something that one of those Fathers has stated about the doctrine you are spewing forth.

Irenaeus - Wherefore I do also call upon thee, Lord God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob and Israel, who art the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the God who, through the abundance of Thy mercy, hast had a favour towards us, that we should know Thee, who hast made heaven and earth, who rulest over all, who art the only and the true God, above whom there is none other God; grant, by our Lord Jesus Christ, the governing power of the Holy Spirit; give to every reader of this book to know Thee, that Thou art God alone, to be strengthened in Thee, and to avoid every heretical, and godless, and impious doctrine

He understood who the Only True God was, and that Jesus was a God, but second to Our Father, with Our Father being the Only True God.

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by TrueBlue?

He understood who the Only True God was, and that Jesus was a God, but second to Our Father, with Our Father being the Only True God.

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


So you believe that this verse is teaching that the Father is the only true God and since you believe that the Father, Son, and HS are separate and distinct you must also believe that the Son and the HS are false Gods. Is that what you really believe?

[TrueBlue?]

Originally Posted by Billyray

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Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


So you believe that this verse is teaching that the Father is the only true God and since you believe that the Father, Son, and HS are separate and distinct you must also believe that the Son and the HS are false Gods. Is that what you really believe?

You can try and put words in my mouth that I have never spoken all you want Billyray, but the more I read of your posts the more I see you care nothing for truth. I truly wonder if you truly believe in this false God that you espouse. Me thinks you are only on here to find fault with Mormons because of some deep hatred. I have never seen anyone throw scripture under the bus as often as you have. Never have I seen anyone bare false witness of others as much as you have. With no diginity to yourself, you take things to the tenth degree no matter how ******** it makes you appear.

Are you saying that you believe that Iranaeus believes that Christ and the Holy Ghost are false Gods? Do you believe that the Apostles, because of there written testimony of the One True God is believes that Christ is a false God?

[Billyray]

Originally Posted by TrueBlue?

You can try and put words in my mouth that I have never spoken all you want Billyray, but the more I read of your posts the more I see you care nothing for truth.

Here is the section of your post that I quoted.

Originally Posted by TrueBlue?

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He understood who the Only True God was, and that Jesus was a God, but second to Our Father, with Our Father being the Only True God.

What does ONLY true God mean to you?

[jdjhere]

TrueBlue stated (rather emphatically): "but the more I read of your posts the more I see you care nothing for truth. I truly wonder if you truly believe in this false God that you espouse. Me thinks ?? you are only on here to find fault with Mormons because of some deep hatred. I have never seen anyone throw scripture under the bus as often as you have. Never have I seen anyone bare false witness of others as much as you have. With no diginity to yourself, you take things to the tenth degree no matter how ******** it makes you appear.

Wow, TrueBlue. I would say that is a pretty nasty, hostile response to BillyRay who is just defending 1st century Christianity. Why do you have to make a personal attack on BillyRays character but not address his questions? He has a right to believe what he believes every bit as much as you do so why the hostility?

[Snow Patrol]

TrueBlue, you need to lighten up on the criticism here.