Hey guys, you have strayed far and wide from the OP
That is not nice, and Brian has provided 8 DIFFERENT sources regarding the conviction of JS, both Mormon and not Mormon.
What has been the response from you guys about the facts?
- Novato called out Brian because he attacked a "prophet of god"
- FBT wrote "Who cares? Do you care that Jesus was accused by his enemies?" as if the comparison between JS and Jesus was valid. Then he wrote the implicit threat, "Should we do a search to find out? "
- Vlad 111 picked up on an unacceptable comment, saying "More gratuitous bashing of the Mormon PEOPLE."
- In annoyance, Vlad 111 posted
- " I plan to point out every instance you attack the Mormon PEOPLE, not its doctrines."
- Then FBT wrote "Jesus didn't prove them wrong by the standards of their own puny minds. Why should I endeavor to do what Jesus himself failed to do" [HUH???]
- FBT added in another post, "If Jesus proved all the puny minded skeptics wrong in their own puny minds, then there should be no one left who is a skeptic, unless they are all great minds. So, why should I endeavor to accomplish what Jesus himself couldn't do? "
- To which, Vlad111 replied " More gratuitous bashing of Mormon PEOPLE. " [I do not concur on this one]
- When Brian pushed the issue of non response citing boiler plate responses, typical fare from many Mormons, Vlad replied again, "More gratuitous bashing of Mormon PEOPLE." [And again I do not agree]
- FBT added this in his comment about Jesus, which is both irrelevant to the OP, and contradictory to Scripture "Well, the skeptics of Jesus' day would simply deny that Jesus offered any proof at all, and would say that he therefore failed to change their minds. So now what? "
- FBT adds to the conversation with obvious sarcasm, "That's what I already said, but in different words: "Who Cares!" This is about as significant as accusing Jesus of gleaning corn on the Sabbath. "
- And again [sigh) he calms troubled waters with this "Yep. Spurious and ridiculous. More gratuitous bashing of Mormon PEOPLE. "
- Like a song with one note, FBT continues mantra-like "More gratuitous bashing of the Mormon people."
- A later post of FBT says, "By your own standards, an accuser (or a skeptic in your case) is not proven wrong until he is converted. If Jesus converted every accuser/skeptic, then why was he crucified?"
- FINALLY Stemelbow addresses the issue, saying "Actually, brianH, you aren't quoting the "court record"...you should look into your claims before you state them. This was actually a copy of what is ***umed to be the court record (which we do not have to corroborate any longer) at one time possessed by the judge's neice (sic) who, apparently brought the "record" to Utah to evangelize mormons. (sic)" THANK YOU STEM! Brian and Stem have an exchange
- However FBT continues to evade the issue, and attacks Jesus saying "Well, that seems to bring us back to the million dollar question...why a sovereign omnipotent God saves only some when it seems that it is perfectly within his power to save all."
- He continues in another post "I just love making these lights go on in your head. And that was a significant one right there."
- And his last "contribution" (so far ) reads, "Why should he have converted every skeptic he met? Why simple... so that every skeptic could believe. I started this question to allow you the opportunity to help me convince your mind, by siting how Jesus went about converting and convincing every skeptical mind he met"
So we have chronicled 19 different responses from FOUR different Mormons, and can anyone PLEASE count the number of times that the Mormons posting here have addressed the OP about the convictions of JS? I get a count of TWO, thanks to Stemelbow.
Obviously, with this many responses, and only two of them dealing with the OP, it is safe to ***ume that the Mormons here demonstrated a certain pattern. That pattern is simply
EVADE THE TRUTH AT ALL COSTS.
No Mormon should like that part in red above, but BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED the only logical conclusion can be is that it is
TRUE!
However there are always two sides to the issue, and in all fairness to Novato, Fig and Vlad111, I offer them the opportunity to explain why they believe that their postings chronicled (mostly in full) above cons***ute DO NOT cons***ute an evasion of the OP.
After all, guys, no one forces you to post here, and you all know that it is considered RUDE to evade the OP, as I believe you have done.
BTW Just because I bring a message without vitriol, albeit a message you may not like, I have not become your enemy. Therefore, I ask in advance that you address the two ISSUES AT HAND, 1) the OP and 2) the accuracy of my belief that you three guys were collectively stonewalling and trying to change the subject.
I also ask you in advance not to revert to ad homenums, either. Enough said?