[nrajeffreturns;143725]I have a feeling that newborns aren't aware of the commandment to put the needs of others before their own needs. You need to cut them some slack, Jim. They think simple thoughts such as "I hunger. I am in pain. I am scared. I feel safe and loved by my mom." Even JESUS had those kinds of thoughts. Please don't accuse Jesus of sinning. It's not a sin, regardless what some Calvinist tried to sell you on the subject.
How can you show that the Lord had these thoughts? I need a reference. What you want to believe has nothing to do with the real occurrences, regardless of what Jeff wants to believe..


I disagree both with your claim and with your claim that the psalm teaches such a thing.
The way you want things to be don't seem to be supported by scripture. I have shown you where my claims are supported in the Psalm. Eother explain why you are right through the scripture as I did or just don't bother to comment.

What if Paul was teaching in the context of people who had matured to a state of accountability for their actions? Fetuses don't sin, Jim. Although I bet that Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the house of horrors abortionist, would find it easier to sleep at night if he believed that all those babies he killed had already sinned and the wages of sin is death.
Ducks hatch ducks, Pigs give birth to pigs, Sinners bare sinners.. Everything after it's kind. We are sinners because of the fall. Each of us has that mark on us. Weather you see it or none we have all fallen short of the glory of God, we have all sinned, even the new born.. How ever, just in case you didn't know God said He is the one who will repay (Romans 12:19). punishing for sin it not Dr. Gosnell place anymore than it is yours. All who are born are sinners subject to death the same an all people.. Many a child born into this world suffer that penalty long before their first year on this world.

I only need to explain it to you. God already agrees with me.
He does? CFR

He already knows that babies are innocent, He is the one who revealed that precious knowledge. The idea that fetuses have already sinned even before they are born is a terrible lie, invented during the Dark Ages by folks like Calvin or Jonathan Edwards, and it probably makes satan smile every time someone believes that lie.
He does? Where is this "precious knowledge" Again CFR.. The only place I know where the subject it taught in the Bible is Psalm 51 as I have quoted it.. "In sin was I conceived".. All you have given me is your personal beliefs on the subject. You didn't even quote LDS scripture.. I guess you know I put as much stock in them as you do the creeds.. But LDS demand that they believe the Bible.. I guess you do as long as it agrees with LDS doctrine.. Christian believe the WHOLE Bible and base our doctrine on what in taught there. Our disagreements is when you abandon the scripture in favor of what men (GAs) teach.. The Bible teaches truth, men teach lies, it is what come natural to them.. IHS jim