Quote Originally Posted by Billyray View Post
John 6
36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

But that is not what is says in multiple places in John 6 says Alan. Those in verse 36 did not believe because they were not given by the Father to the Son. And we can look at the other verses in John 6 with say that there were those who were unable to come to Him. But you are ignoring those verses.
Its not just the people that are drawn, or the people that hear....the person actually has to be "taught'

This is like when the local church bell rings on Sunday mormong....it might wake up a lot of people, but some people just roll over and go back to sleep.

So its not the number of people that hear the bell that is inportant to the church in the end...its the number of people that walk in the door.

yet every person that does walk in the door actually do report that "They heard" the bell call them...........




Every person that goes to Heaven was drawn there by god...

Every person that goes to hell has turned away from the light from heaven that was sent to them.....and this light from heaven was not sent to them accidentally!

for it was sent from the "beginning"