Quote Originally Posted by MacG View Post
To do good.
How do you know that?

You in the image of God would create a child to do evil?
Me? No. I don't believe in creation ex nihilo.

Yes.
Again how do you know that?


No chronology but this is when I believe we believe it happened:

IS14:13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of ***embly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
"Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol,
To the recesses of the pit
But when was this? Was it after God created Him? Was it after God created the earth?

Why? Don't rightly know but suspect it has to do with verses like this that describe how we are taken from the womb, how we were known in the womb, relationship in the womb as it were but really not before, Psalm 71:
6By You I have been sustained from my birth;
You are He who took me from my mother's womb;
My praise is continually of You.
Can you clarify? I ahve no idea how this answers my question.

Lucifer was an angel - a ministering spirit as it were. Why God made two kinds of life with personalities that are accountable and subject to judgment I do not not know. Neither is it a salvation issue.
How do you know this?

Spirits do not have bodies Luke 24:38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?

"See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
So we do not have spirits? Are we not both spirit and body?

love,
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