Free Will

[alanmolstad]

Originally Posted by Billyray

Come on Alan you and Libby are making this claim--surely you have some ideas about what you believe.

Tell me what the universe--without any direct revelation--teaches us about Christ and his role here on earth?



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Again, what does the text say as to the answer?


lets just have a look shall we?

"since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them"

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

"For the director of music. A psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

"He made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding."

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."




So Billy, the answer to your question is this > "since what may be known about God".....Every last thing we can ever know about God, is shown us .

If we have faith in God, this is what we see is shown us in the things that are made.

There is no "other" message found there..
the universe itself reflects it's maker's hand, and that hand is JESUS!



The universe is God showing us the Son!

The universe shows us Not only the power of the Creator, but also his "divine nature".....
In other words, if you have saving faith in the Son, the thing you are able to see is what is shown all men in the things that are made.



Now pay attention to this next part>

THIS.......this......this is why the Bible tells us that the people who die in unbelief in the Son do so "without excuse"!
They are without excuse because all you can know of God is given us in the Son.....there is no "other" revelation to learn about God....only in the Son does man learn about the Father.
Jesus is shown us in the things that are made!


This is why it's so silly when someone says> "You have only shown me the Son drawing all men, show me the father drawing all men?"For the answer from the text teaches us ""Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"

If the Son is said to be drawing all men to himself, it is ONLY because the Father is drawing all men to Himself.