Free Will

[Libby]

Originally Posted by Billyray

So basically you started off agreeing with what Alan said and you have finally come to your senses and realize that what he said was false. That is the problem with holding onto false ideas because you are then required to go to Bible and start to twist verses in order to try and come up with anything to support your position.

Billy, I don't think Alan holds false beliefs and I don't see him trying to twist anything. You keep asking, so called, "gotcha" questions, which are really not in the spirit of what Alan is trying to say. You keep getting bogged down in technicalities that don't relate to what he is saying. The fact that you think I am finally "coming to my senses", tells me that....because I still much more agree with the "spirit" of Alan's explanations, than I do with what it is you are desperately trying to "pin down".

This whole thing about not accepting that Christ "drawing all men" means exactly what it says and has nothing to do with Christ and the Father, somehow, being "separate persons"...which we all agree, they ARE. But, in SPIRIT they are always ONE. Yes, Christ became incarnate and did things the Father did not do, physically, but HE was right there with Jesus in SPIRIT. So, why are you trying to make something out of the verse that says very directly, Christ draws all people to himself? I think you are the one who is trying to "twist" scripture to your own beliefs.